Case in point: Nurse Ratched wasn't actually the villain of the picture -- but, rather, an emotionally strong, soft spoken, intelligent, highly courageous authority figure

Yea well I say is easy to rule with cool hand with a set of Walt Freeman picks and ECT machine in her quiver! Anyhow since most of them were there voluntarily maybe they deserved it! Now you see, HP? I do really watch your mouldy old time movies I say was a lot of bother collecting all those just to justify the work you did restoring Setchell Carlson

 

Please don't assess the morality of individuals based upon the actions of organizations!

I thought I just wrote a long winded explanation about corporate greed being the bad guy in this scenario.
Being caught in the "medical" system isn't anywhere near as bad as being caught in the "justice" system, but it feels similar.
Horrid food, massive penalties for non-compliance, people with power, and people without power.
Eat, sleep, exercise (physical therapy), and discover your release date because somebody else said so.
Strangely similar, except you're likely to get proper medical care in a hospital.
Have you read anything about how surprised doctors are when they become the patient?

Seems 1970's audiences preferred psychopaths to legitimate authority?

Yes. A lot of '70s audiences were raised in familys with enough ties to ex-military personnel that they were eager to rebel against the lock-step beliefs of the father figure. Not so much as, "a predatory criminal given to violent outbursts" but it seemed we had to tear the fabric of society to do anything except get a burr haircut and march to school. So we did.

That, "Home by 5, bed by 10, get up at dawn and do it again." was no fun!
Reefer Madness, Valley of the Dolls, Woodstock, Kent State, DNC Chicago 1968, White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane (Gracie Slick).
Whole lot o' shakin' goin' on.
Now the world seems polarized. Hippies v Establishment evolved into Libertarians v Corporatocracy.
I think the Hippies are losing.
We can't even go home from the hospital when we feel well enough to resume our normal functions.

 

Have you read anything about how surprised doctors are when they become the patient?

Ha ha! A taste of her own medicine! That's something I'd like to see! In my field (which is totally different than HP's) it's called _sensitivity training_

 

Have you read anything about how surprised doctors are when they become the patient?

Similar effect to how horrified managers are when they are required to do the same work they expect of their subordinates.

 

Similar effect to how horrified managers are when they are required to do the same work they expect of their subordinates.

Shut up, don't think, follow orders, and I'll tell you when you're done?

 

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I doubt it takes a great intelligence to hunt with a rifle. It's not exactly hard to move silently, take cover and be downwind.

You honestly have no idea do you?

I'll let the others here who hunt or even just do basic target shooting take this one.

I don't want to find the original ISB123 post, so I'll leap frog yours "tcm"

In area's of Utah we have a lot of Deer, culling is a process that takes place each year. Hunting permits issued and flocks of hunters are released into the wild, some know how to hunt and others just go out to be in the wild, drink, get drunk stumble around and wake up with a hang over. Then the idiot's get ready grab another beer and head out to find a deer unsuspecting the bullet from an idiots gun fired most likely without real aim, wounding it instead of a clean shot to down the dear, it's done with no mercy or any real thought, it's rather brutal and wrong.

Most know nothing about hunting, in my family of hunters there are degrees of or is not a clean shot and we pride ourself's in the well oiled and fitted scopes adjusted to tight accuracy which in the right hands will allow a sharp shooter the ability to bring down game with one shot, we own the proper guns for the job, you don't take a 22 to the job of a "30.06" and the year I stopped hunting at 18 was a shot leveled at a 4 point buck at 300 yards in a dead run way to easy, where is the sport in that? it's about bringing home food for the table, get the job done and go home.

I had a good flat shot from one Ridge line to the other with a single shot, I placed the bullet squarely and brought it down one shot one kill. But, I realized that our family hunted for extra meat to put on the table from the late 1800's in 4 generations, and that suddenly it wasn't about killing to eat anymore. I rationalized that the amount of "Gas" and cost of vehicles, ammo, guns, food, time spent, and all other additional cost exceeded what I would pay at the Grocery for meat. It was ludicrous to believe otherwise, I can spend time with the family doing other types of recreation and leave the hills to the idiots during hunting season. If I want to shoot, I go to the range.

It suddenly had become sport, and I couldn't support the system anymore. The last year I went, I also had shooters who shot in our direction thus further damaging wether I should place myself in harms way for sport among idiots.

It would be different if they were professionals shooting in the wild, but unfortunately the vast majority have no idea how to handle a gun properly and make some really poor choices. Since growing up in a hunting family we have nearly been killed by those same idiots more than 10 times from age 7 to 18. It's all about all terrain vehicles 4x4's tearing up mother nature and leaving your garbage and traces of your human marks in the wild only to come back each year to do the same over and over. What is the definition of insanity?

So, I left it to the insane. If you want to legally hunt in Africa do so, but donate the meat to a starving village and help support those in donations to build their infrastructure food water and healthcare.

Put, your stupid money where your mouth is, instead of taking and leaving a mark, without respect or responsibility.

kv

 

What's wrong calling it a sport?

Nothing at all in fact, since box is also a sport consisting in reducing your opponent to a miserable physical condition if needed to win the match.

I despise hunters, no matter where the lion's tournedos or deer soups are served to hungry people. And, jointly with bullfighters I do not feel any pity when the animal finally catches them.

A (most of the times obese) idiot carrying a gun with two or three assisting him, lying an ambush to an animal with no defense is pathetic to me. Training a monkey branding a long rough stick to impale (with no jelly) the so named hunter would spice the game. That would make it now, literally "visceral" for both parts and nice to watch too if any camera aficionado still remains around by the time. Olympics time, olympic spirit let's say.

 

If you want to legally hunt in Africa do so,

there are trophy hunting sites for certain animals, one well known in texas for example. Quite controversial but I'm a support of it, as the money goes to animal protection.

 

there are trophy hunting sites for certain animals, one well known in texas for example. Quite controversial but I'm a support of it, as the money goes to animal protection.

As the money goes to animal protection.

 

Argentina

Lets look at the real source of killing.
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/nass/PoulSlauSu//2010s/2014/PoulSlauSu-02-25-2014.pdf
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/nass/LiveSlauSu//2010s/2014/LiveSlauSu-04-21-2014.pdf

 

it's called _sensitivity training_

Inasmuch as you instituted, create and present said 'workshops' -- Perhaps one day they'll come to be known as 'Aleph hoist with her own petard' -- or simply 'karma comes a calling'

With wan regards
HP

 

Argentina

Come on, the old basic trick of showing a picture... I could show eventually some. BTW, even if taken at Tuvalu or Ponape, nothing would change. Pure useless cruelty is just that.

Given the place where I was grown up, I've had the chance to see things like that sure before you were born. Pictures were published at the local newspaper.

Enough of this thread.

 

Come on, the old basic trick of showing a picture... I could show eventually some. BTW, even if taken at Tuvalu or Ponape, nothing would change. Pure useless cruelty is just that.

Given the place where I was grown up, I've had the chance to see things like that sure before you were born. Pictures were published at the local newspaper.

Enough of this thread.

It's somewhat surprising how strong the feelings are about hunting from people who I assume are not vegans. I was born in the 50's backwater cotton country so I've been on and seen a lot of hunting/fishing trips. When I was young a lot of those trips helped to feed poor children so I had zero guilt about pulling the trigger on a food animal then and now if I know the meat won't be wasted.

 

It's somewhat surprising how strong the feelings are about hunting from people who I assume are not vegans. I was born in the 50's backwater cotton country so I've been on and seen a lot of hunting/fishing trips. When I was young a lot of those trips helped to feed poor children so I had zero guilt about pulling the trigger on a food animal then and now if I know the meat won't be wasted.

Like I said, if it's about meat then do so. If, it's sport and your just one to put another trophy on the wall without due respect, I'm not game with it. It must go hand in hand for me.

kv

 

Like I said, if it's about meat then do so. If, it's sport and your just one to put another trophy on the wall without due respect, I'm not game with it. It must go hand in hand for me.

kv

For me it depends on if the trophy was also your play horse.

 

For me it depends on if the trophy was also your play horse.
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Gotta say, there is something about that shot, kids having fun.

I'm not sure you can eat a raccoon. In my family tag it, somewhere in the south might be tag the raccoon. Put 'em in the the freezer.

kv

Edit: Or just make that's tonights dinner.

 

They died because of my actions and theirs and both were not INTENTIONAL.

Negligent insecticide?

Sorry, guys. I've been ignoring this silly thread. But I found this comment humorous.

 

Gotta say, there is something about that shot, kids having fun.

I'm not sure you can eat a raccoon. In my family tag it, somewhere in the south might be tag the raccoon. Put 'em in the the freezer.

kv

Edit: Or just make that's tonights dinner.

Yep, you can eat raccoon, but it's not the best tasting meat on the planet. My first winter survival training trip when I was eight years old we caught a raccoon. They put lots of pepper in it to cover the taste, but it was still barely edible.

 

I've had it and enjoyed some aspects of it. It was very juicy and tasty like stewed beef. But don't ever make it indoors. Your house will never be the same.

 

In the 1960's, the father of a friend had a tradition of barbequeing a whole hog once a year for his employees and customers, which meant the hog was killed, sawn in half along the backbone, and cooked overnight. The halves were placed on top of a piece of old roofing tin which laid on a huge bed of hickory coals and covered with another piece of tin. We put a coon or two on the very top. About midnight, when we turned the hog, the coon was done; I thought it was really good. There was nothing left of it that night, and the hog was consumed the next day.

The coons were killed for sport and were eaten; the hog was raised for slaughter and was eaten. To me, there is absolutely no moral difference, except for the fact that coons sometimes evade the hunters, but the hog never has a chance.