Accurate resistors and capacitors for 555

thatoneguy

Joined Feb 19, 2009
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I'd suggest reading both the article and references on Wikipedia Crystals as Oscillators

There is a ton of info out there, including what sort of cut/shear you have for a crystal, and using it as a series or parallel oscillator, depending on the type you have.

Normally, you'd just solder in the crystal with the right number on it, but you may have oscillators, which are 4 pin rectangular packages, opposed to the long oval crystal only type package.

It's a few hours worth of reading, or less if you are familiar with the basics, but required if you are looking for accuracy. Just because there is a crystal involved doesn't mean it is a great oscillator.
 

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jaygatsby

Joined Nov 23, 2011
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Good news! It turns out that I have a bunch of those 4 pin, do it all crystal oscillators. So I can just hook them up to Vdd, ground, and take the output! Will this work well for what I've been talking about?
 

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jaygatsby

Joined Nov 23, 2011
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That's not quite the case.

Let's just grab one out of the middle.
23.04MHz / 256 = 90,000 (a dual binary counter would do this)
90,000/9 = 10,000 (a decade or BCD counter could be used for this)
From there it's pretty obvious how to get to 100Hz/10mS.
Is there a specific dual binary counter that you'd recommend for this application? And any specific decade/bcd for the second division?

Thank you again
 
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SgtWookie

Joined Jul 17, 2007
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Is there a specific dual binary counter that you'd recommend for this application?
Actually, something a bit different - a 74HC4060.
The 74HC4060 has an oscillator front end that can be used either with RC values, or a crystal. Take your output from Q8 to get the /256. This will save you from having to use an extra inverter IC or the like.
http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT4060.pdf
Take a look at Fig. 13 on page 16 for how to connect a crystal.

If you are going for low power (battery operated) look at a 4000-series 4060 instead, like an HEF4060B or CD4060B.

And any specific decade/bcd for the second division?
The 74HC390:

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Well I WAS going to suggest the 390, but it doesn't have a terminal count output.
The easiest solution would then be to use a 74HC4017 or 4000-series 4017.
 
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PaulEE

Joined Dec 23, 2011
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I read a few posts ago that you were "afraid of crystals". In an attempt to help you overcome this crystal-phobia, I would like to tell you that a crystal is nothing more than a bandpass filter with a VERY narrow (high-Q) bandwidth. A crystal has an equivalent circuit (approximately) of a an inductor-resistor branch in parallel with a capacitor; this model varies, but the end result is a RLC-type filter.

Armed with this information, you can treat the crystal as a lump of circuit elements that you are familiar with, so circuits such as crystal filters or oscillators will not look as scary. :D

Also, the CD4000 series ICs as well as the 7400s have many different varieties of divide-by-n counters that allow you to divide the input frequency down to one suitable for your 10mS period you seek.

Also, you know those four-pin oscillator cans you have? Those are just back to back inverter gates with a crystal filter "feedback loop" and bias resistor. You can build one yourself with a 7404 hex inverter, crystal, and resistor. If you snoop around the 'net, you'll see various flavors of this circuit here and there.

Hope that helped; happy new year!
 
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