AC motor Direction Control

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fluxanode

Joined Mar 23, 2014
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I have a Dayton single phase motor 1/2 HP and I need to control it's direction with two push buttons. Push and hold button1 for to turn on in CW direction, release and the motor stops. Push and hold button2 to turn on motor and run in the CCW direction, release and the motor. Can anyone help me with a solution for this operation? the motor has Load, Neutral, and direction wires.

Thanks for any help on this problem.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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It should have a capacitor, measure the two windings and see if they are identical resistance, if so it is relatively simple to reverse.
i.e. PSC motor.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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"Dayton" sells quite a few different motors. Your motor should show connections for running in both directions. So there are different circuits depending on which model of motor it is.
You will also need two relays, one for each direction, or else the push-buttons will need to have at least three normally open sets of contacts rated for the motor current, IF the motor is a standard type with both a start and run winding, and a start switch.
 

MaxHeadRoom

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Up to ~ 1/2 HP Induction motors are generally PSC with both start and run windings identical, this allows very simple reversing with a SPDT centre off switch or relay setup.

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MisterBill2

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Now it is a bit more confusing! The circuit in post #4 is one common scheme, but if the motor is not a capacitor motor then it does not apply. Also, the number of connections seems different based on " the motor has Load, Neutral, and direction wires. "
Quite often motors have a connection diagram located either on the name plate or inside the electrical connections cover.. Some of them have written descriptions of the connections.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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I have a Dayton single phase motor 1/2 HP and I need to control it's direction with two push buttons. Push and hold button1 for to turn on in CW direction, release and the motor stops. Push and hold button2 to turn on motor and run in the CCW direction, release and the motor. Can anyone help me with a solution for this operation? the motor has Load, Neutral, and direction wires.
A little more on the actual details on the motor would help in comming up with a solution. i.e. no guess work.!
 

HasBeen

Joined Jul 28, 2023
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If it is just a split-phase motor, there will not be a starting capacitor. There will be 2 separate windings, and the direction is controlled by the polarity of the windings with respect to one another. Flip the two wires of one of the windings and the motor runs in the opposite direction. A SPST relay can be used for on / off, unless your push-buttons can handle 10 amps or so. Activate this relay with both push-buttons. A DPDT relay configured to criss-cross the windings will establish direction; activate this relay with only one of the push-buttons.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Agree, check to see if there is a difference in resistance between windings.
IF it only has one cap and the windings are identical, this is all it takes.
Flip the switch for reverse.
BTW, In the diag below, they have the start/run label backwards,

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MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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@Max: NONE of the medium/smaller induction motors in my collection use a capacitor. Each one has a start switch that disconnects the start winding when the motor gets up to speed. So those motors require a different reversing scheme, either two relays with at least 3 poles, OR a 3-pole three position toggle switch made for the application. That would also apply to capacitor start motors/capacitor run induction motors that use different capacitors.
 

MaxHeadRoom

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I am talking about the simple PSC (permanent start cap) motor that has windings where each are equal.
Usually no larger than 1/2 hp but very common.
A permanent split-phase induction motor has some advantages −
It does not require a centrifugal SW
It has High pull-out torque
Has higher efficiency
High Power factor.
 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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I am talking about the simple PSC (permanent start cap) motor that has windings where each are equal.
Usually no larger than 1/2 hp but very common.
A permanent split-phase induction motor has some advantages −
It does not require a centrifugal SW
It has High pull-out torque
Has higher efficiency
High Power factor.
WHAT? Your going to be accused of throwing stones if you keep saying things like that. Motors are kind of his thing, don't ya know?
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/...hat-happens-if-on-115vac.196241/#post-1852615
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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The information we have is :" I have a Dayton single phase motor 1/2 HP. " The fact is that Dayton has produced quite a few different varieties of motors and so we do not have any clue about the one that the TS has on hand, except that the rating is 1/2 HP. So it does not make sense to immediately start with an assumption that it is a specific type.
It is much better to find out from the TS just what sort of induction motor it is, so that the suggestions made will be useful instead of confusing.
 
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