I am a little stunned. I just joined this group. Then I spent an hour creating a very clear, very concise question in the form of about 8 neat paragraphs, and when I clicked the button to post I saw the ability to add a couple photos, which I did. But now all I see on the post are the two pictures, and nothing of what I spent an hour typing. Did this actually just happen? Did this thread creation page actually disregard everything I typed and only post the photos?

 

hi glass,
I am checking this problem for you, it should not happen.
Eric

Update:
Reported problem to Admin.

Moderation

 

Sorry you lost the text you worked on.

I suspect you accidentally selected all of your text when you added the pictures, which then replaced the text with the pictures. I'm not seeing any History on the post, which means (at least in principle) that it hasn't been changed since originally posted. That's a shame because if it did, we probably could have retrieved the text.

I think most of us have had times (and not only on this forum, but more broadly) when we've typed out long, detailed posts and have had something happen and lost them. Usually there's some kind of a hint that it is at least happening, like you hit Post Reply and your browser becomes unresponsive or you get an error message back from the server. But mysterious hiccups do happen.

 

Well from the thread title the first thing that comes to mind would be standard alarm circuit with cell phone output that calls your number.
SG

 

That is why it is sometime better with long posts, to write and save them in word pad, word or similar, saving every 5 mins or so, then copy and paste into the dialogue box on the forum. I too have had this happen

 

I use my mail program(thunderbird) to compose.....and save all post as drafts.

 

Yes all of the above are absolutely correct. Ironically, in order to preserve what I typed, I did what I always do when I type a long post and don't want to lose all of it due to a computer glitch: I Selected all of it, then hit CTRL C to copy it. This saves it to the clipboard, so I have a chance to retrieve it if it doesn't post. But then when I saw I could add an imageI got sidetracked and I did just that...and obviously the previously selected typed text was replaced by the photos. Also I lost the original clipboard text because I copied and pasted something else midway. I also usually save long texts in Notepad...just in case. But not this time, LOL.

So to summarize, I would like to set up a simple motion detector, with a relay (think mercury switch, or maybe consumer photobeam, or even a simple tripwire hooked up to a clothespin to complete a circuit), to trigger something that will send me an alert 15 miles away.

I hangar my ultralight at a private airstrip in the middle of nowhere. I live in Eugene, the nearest city, 15 miles away. We have had about one break-in at the airfield each year, with losses at around $200. Last year they smashed two of my wireless security cameras, but nothing else was stolen or broken into. I do have 12 closed circuit IR security cameras on 2 DVRs, but they are kind of useless because of weather and the limitations of IR.

Sometime in the last week we had another break-in attempt, they got into a guy's hangar and stole a shotgun. I know I have the perp somewhere on the videos somewhere, but to sift through (7x12x24=2016 hours) of video is hopeless. It would have been extremely helpful to get an alert in the middle of the night, obviously.

The problem is, there is no Internet access. We could use Dish, but I am trying to avoid the $80 per year fees, because the losses we suffer don't reach the $1000 per year it would cost for Dish. We have mostly inexpensive ultralights at the field, and the burglars never mess with the planes, they usually steal tools and the occasional radio.

I do have cell phone access out there, so I would love to find a way to use a cheap $30 per month cell phone to somehow trigger an alert to my smart phone as SHGIOTO suggests. He mentions a "standard alarm circuit with cell phone output that calls your number."

Can you elaborate just a bit?

 

I do have cell phone access out there, so I would love to find a way to use a cheap $30 per month cell phone to somehow trigger an alert to my smart phone as SHGIOTO suggests. He mentions a "standard alarm circuit with cell phone output that calls your number."
Can you elaborate just a bit?

The alarm system when triggered activated a solenoid that actually pressed a button on the phone. I had my number programmed in "Fast Dial" on key #2. This way no mods to the phone. It also allowed me to hear on that end of the line.
SG

 

hi sg,
Sometime ago I used a similar method
Old laptop and 56K Modem linked to my phone line.
If my security system was 'tripped' it would send me a text message.

E

 

I like the idea of a solenoid pressing the unaltered cell button to speed dial me. That would be sweet. I suppose I would have to create a circuit which would only press the button for a few seconds, then release the button...

 

Get with the other hangar tenets and approach hangar owner for a security solution.

Explain that security protects him too. He might supply internet connection....tenets provide their own security devices.

The other tenets probably feel the same way.

 

I like the idea of a solenoid pressing the unaltered cell button to speed dial me. That would be sweet. I suppose I would have to create a circuit which would only press the button for a few seconds, then release the button...

The alarm circuit I had was microprocessor controlled but a simple 555 as a one shot can activate the solenoid.
SG

 

I did find this solution, which uses a cell phone that has been modded:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Home-Security-System-Using-Cell-Phone/

 

Yes all of the above are absolutely correct. Ironically, in order to preserve what I typed, I did what I always do when I type a long post and don't want to lose all of it due to a computer glitch: I Selected all of it, then hit CTRL C to copy it. This saves it to the clipboard, so I have a chance to retrieve it if it doesn't post. But then when I saw I could add an imageI got sidetracked and I did just that...and obviously the previously selected typed text was replaced by the photos. Also I lost the original clipboard text because I copied and pasted something else midway. I also usually save long texts in Notepad...just in case. But not this time, LOL.

So to summarize, I would like to set up a simple motion detector, with a relay (think mercury switch, or maybe consumer photobeam, or even a simple tripwire hooked up to a clothespin to complete a circuit), to trigger something that will send me an alert 15 miles away.

I hangar my ultralight at a private airstrip in the middle of nowhere. I live in Eugene, the nearest city, 15 miles away. We have had about one break-in at the airfield each year, with losses at around $200. Last year they smashed two of my wireless security cameras, but nothing else was stolen or broken into. I do have 12 closed circuit IR security cameras on 2 DVRs, but they are kind of useless because of weather and the limitations of IR.

Sometime in the last week we had another break-in attempt, they got into a guy's hangar and stole a shotgun. I know I have the perp somewhere on the videos somewhere, but to sift through (7x12x24=2016 hours) of video is hopeless. It would have been extremely helpful to get an alert in the middle of the night, obviously.

The problem is, there is no Internet access. We could use Dish, but I am trying to avoid the $80 per year fees, because the losses we suffer don't reach the $1000 per year it would cost for Dish. We have mostly inexpensive ultralights at the field, and the burglars never mess with the planes, they usually steal tools and the occasional radio.

I do have cell phone access out there, so I would love to find a way to use a cheap $30 per month cell phone to somehow trigger an alert to my smart phone as SHGIOTO suggests. He mentions a "standard alarm circuit with cell phone output that calls your number."

Can you elaborate just a bit?

Your problem is to bridge the 15miles
First question is there a line of sight (no objects between the antennae's ) if so low power < 1Watt makes that possible
or use the old 27Mhz and send a dual tone combination to identify the type of alarm or use the good old modem technology @ 50 - 150 baud
to feed it into the 27Mhz transmitter.
A simple low power circuit (Pic) is used to detect alarm and filter the false alarms. Transmitter is power up when needed.
Bidirectional communication is also possible allowing to switch things on/off.

Picbuster

 

Note for this forum's software, sometimes you can recover when composing, by going back to where you started to compose. In other words, if you create content and close the webpage, you can generally navigate back to where you composed the content. Your original content will be visible, but greyed. Clicking in the box, will ungrey the content.

If you compose anything substantial, do it elsewhere like a word processor or text editor.

 

Just an FYI with the right search terms: https://www.geoarm.com/alarmnet-cellular-alarm-monitoring.html

 

Just an FYI with the right search terms: https://www.geoarm.com/alarmnet-cellular-alarm-monitoring.html

Thank you for digging for me. I was hopeful, until I read the part about "from any Internet connected device". There is no Internet out there at the airport, unfortunately.

 

Your problem is to bridge the 15miles
First question is there a line of sight (no objects between the antennae's ) if so low power < 1Watt makes that possible
or use the old 27Mhz and send a dual tone combination to identify the type of alarm or use the good old modem technology @ 50 - 150 baud
to feed it into the 27Mhz transmitter.
A simple low power circuit (Pic) is used to detect alarm and filter the false alarms. Transmitter is power up when needed.
Bidirectional communication is also possible allowing to switch things on/off.

Picbuster

That sounds exactly like what I need. There are no obstacles between my home and the airport. Unfortunately, I am out of my league with that solution. You lost me at "use the good old modem technology @ 50 - 150 baud to feed it into the 27Mhz transmitter"

I think the next question I should ask at this point is, could you give me a quote for how much I could pay you for that contraption?

Alternatively, could you link me to a thread somewhere that talks about setting something like that up? I can solder stuff up no problem, but no way could I just sketch out a circuit of what you are talking about.

 

Thank you for digging for me. I was hopeful, until I read the part about "from any Internet connected device". There is no Internet out there at the airport, unfortunately.

The phone or the alarm communicator can be cellular based. That also means Internet based.

Take a PERS (Personal Emergency Management System) of a particular design. it' basically a miniature cell phone with just one or two buttons. e.g. Police or Medical (Maybe). Let's assume one. Now add essentially VoIP technology and you have two-way communicaiions. Add GPS and you have location based. Add or use and accelerometer and you have fall detection.

One of the standard alarm protocols is the Ademco standard. e.g. http://www.technoimport.com.co/Producto/pdfs/ADEMCO - DC05_Contact_ID.pdf

So, there are alarm communicators that adopt the Ademco standard to cellular or Internet. e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-GSMX4G-Digital-Cellular-Communicator/dp/B00CM89YEQ

That isn't necessarily what you want.

OK, so you have phone. Same deal. The alarm monitoring station typically takes the Ademco standard and communicates with touch tones to the alarm monitoring station, Then they call you. In the US we have a 911 system, but there is a standard 9 digit phone number for a locality/state that reaches the 911 call center. That's what the alarm company calls if the call is genuine.

The alarm technology, I believe, works by posting to a cloud and that cloud can notify you via txt message for instance of a home automation change. Some can essentially route video feeds directly to your phone. It's HARD to send an email from home because of the security restrictions. A cell based network may be able to bypass that.

So, you need data only cell service.

So, alarm monitoring via a cell service is going to minimize the data passed through the network.

So, your probably far enough in the boonies that DSL won;t exist either. Satellite, typically uses a satellite downlink with a 56K modem phone based uplink.

Cellular technology that has been adapted for the alarm market is probably the way to go.

I agree, you can do some of the leg work and propose that the owner implement it for everyone.

I have in my notes something that may be of use, http://atmosphereiot.com/platform.html. it's actually a development system using a cloud, an Arduino and both cell and web interfaces, but you don't want to develop anything.

here's https://www.lantronix.com/products/sgx-5150/ a device that gets you Internet via 5G cellular.