OK i know this is really old but Zep makes 3-4 different floor sealers, can someone tell me which one was used?

 

That assumes there is no conformal coating on the hard drive already. Likely difficult to find a hard drive without a conformal coating. You need the product to come into contact with the bare copper.

If you want a PCB with no conformal coating, go to the junk yard and pull an airbag control module out of just about any car. They put them on the lowest part of the car, floor board usually under the center console, they don't seal the enclosures, and they pray you drive it into high water and short the thing out.

 

OK i know this is really old but Zep makes 3-4 different floor sealers, can someone tell me which one was used?

Proper conformal coating compounds are inexpensive abundant and readily available... At considerable risk of appearing trite: If it's worth doing, it's worth doing correctly!

If you want a PCB with no conformal coating, go to the junk yard and pull an airbag control module out of just about any car.

Although cognizant of the jocular intent of your post I'm bound to disclaim the hazards attending said 'extraction' - exponentially so should the vehicle be equipped with 'fragmentation airbags'

With constructive intent
HP

 

Although cognizant of the jocular intent of your post I'm bound to disclaim the hazards attending said 'extraction' - exponentially so should the vehicle be equipped with 'fragmentation airbags'

With constructive intent
HP

Right, so if I'm translating correctly you're concerned an airbag might go off. Danger easily mitigated. Disconnect battery (probably no battery anyways in a junkyard) and wait a minute before extracting the control unit. If you're still concerned, have an unwitting bystander remove it.

 

Right, so if I'm translating correctly you're concerned an airbag might go off. Danger easily mitigated. Disconnect battery (probably no battery anyways in a junkyard) and wait a minute before extracting the control unit.

Please be advised that certain implementations are capable of deployment up to six weeks following disconnection of external power (external, that is, to the 'module' itself)...

If you're still concerned, have an unwitting bystander remove it

You must be blessed with a 'cast iron' conscience and lots and lots of 'karma points'

But hey! Sorry to have been a 'wet blanket' (Re: post #22) while it was clear enough that you were not actually advocating causal removal of said modules, sad experience has taught me to assume nothing in the way of common sense (to say nothing of sense of humor and/or irony) where the 'unwashed masses' (AKA 'low information readers') are concerned

Best regards and absolutely no offense intended!
HP

 

If you want a PCB with no conformal coating, go to the junk yard and pull an airbag control module out of just about any car. They put them on the lowest part of the car, floor board usually under the center console, they don't seal the enclosures, and they pray you drive it into high water and short the thing out.

Strantor your correct.The control module it's self is a separate entity from the air bag. Junk yards around here remove the airbags first when a car comes to the yard, letting them sit on shelves, to keep them dry inside for sale to the body shops. this whole "air bags are very dangerous" thing is way overblown. It's spread by people that have never even worked with them. If they are so dangerous on they're own, how come they are sitting around in cardboard boxes on the assembly lines? Or shipped from the manufacturer by common carrier in bulk? Another urban myth spread by people that don't know how things work.

 

Strantor your correct.The control module it's self is a separate entity from the air bag. Junk yards around here remove the airbags first when a car comes to the yard, letting them sit on shelves, to keep them dry inside for sale to the body shops. this whole "air bags are very dangerous" thing is way overblown. It's spread by people that have never even worked with them. If they are so dangerous on they're own, how come they are sitting around in cardboard boxes on the assembly lines? Or shipped from the manufacturer by common carrier in bulk? Another urban myth spread by people that don't know how things work.

Or staring you in the face every time you get in the car

 

It's spread by people that have never even worked with them.

Another urban myth spread by people that don't know how things work

I've personally encountered two 'quads' (disabled by airbag deployment while working on their parked and de-energized vehicles) who might dispute with your 'theory'.
@shortbus <snip>
Thanks
HP

ETA the two incidents did not involve defective airbags...

Mod edit: snipped personal attack.

 

I've personally encountered two 'quads' (disabled by airbag deployment while working on their parked and de-energized vehicles) who might dispute with your 'theory'.
@shortbus Trolling and safety are an appalling mix! -- Grind your axe elsewhere little boy...

Thanks
HP

ETA the two incidents did not involve defective airbags...

So, did these quads show you that they actually disconnected the battery or did they simply CLAIM to have disconnected it when they told you the story. It would be worthy of an investigation if it went off more than 10seconds after the disconnect.

It wouldn’t be the first time a foolish person claimed not to be foolish.

 

I've personally encountered two 'quads' (disabled by airbag deployment while working on their parked and de-energized vehicles) who might dispute with your 'theory'. [...] ETA the two incidents did not involve defective airbags...

How extremely coincidental. Was this just by happen chance or do you work as an OSHA safety auditor? Maybe you were an attorney filing class action lawsuit against Takata?

 

So, did these quads show you that they actually disconnected the battery or did they simply CLAIM to have disconnected it when they told you the story. It would be worthy of an investigation if it went off more than 10seconds after the disconnect.

It wouldn’t be the first time a foolish person claimed not to be foolish.

In one case adherence to safety procedures was the finding of the (injured party's) insurance carrier -- in the other case, the court...

Please don't 'get me wrong'! Properly installed, non-defective passive restraint systems save lives everyday! But to claim such are non-hazardous is either ignorant or (much worse) irresponsible for the sake of petty contrariety...

Or staring you in the face every time you get in the car

Again, I would agree that the benefits outweigh the risks Re: non-defective, properly installed systems...

Best regards
HP

 

How extremely coincidental. Was this just by happen chance or do you work as an OSHA safety auditor? Maybe you were an attorney filing class action lawsuit against Takata?

Nope -- My job is (attempting) to put the victims back together - and, often, without unqualified success

Takata

Please be advised that the hazard is not limited to defective units -- Deployment of any passive restraint installation while the occupant{s} are not within the 'expected relationship' to the system is potentially deadly (and frequently injurious)... I'm aware of several instances whereon deployment occurred at 'ignition-on' as a result of wet floor carpeting (secondary to leaky windshields, back-flowing a/c condensate, etc...)

Sincerely, best regards
HP

 

Nope -- My job is (attempting) to put the victims back together - and, often, without unqualified success


Please be advised that the hazard is not limited to defective units -- Deployment of any passive restraint installation while the occupant{s} are not within the 'expected relationship' to the system is potentially deadly (and frequently injurious)... I'm aware of several instances whereon deployment occurred at 'ignition-on' as a result of wet floor carpeting (as a result of a leaky windshield, back-flowing a/c condensate, etc...)

Sincerely, best regards
HP

Please accept my apologies.
I accept your warnings about airbags and will drop the topic now, also since it's off-topic anyways.

 

Please accept my apologies.
I accept your warnings about airbags and will drop the topic now, also since it's off-topic anyways.

No need for apologies! -- For my part, I apologize should my formality have appeared 'condescending'

and will drop the topic now

Ditto!

Best regards
HP

 

@shortbus Trolling and safety are an appalling mix! -- Grind your axe elsewhere, little boy...

Again you accuse me of trolling. Disagreeing with you is NOT trolling, your name was never even mentioned. You may know what you're an expert on, but don't know what you don't know about. I have removed some where in the area of 75 to 100 air bags from cars in my life. Working at a junk yard owned by a friend and on my own vehicles. They themselves don't just "go off". Static electricity won't set them off. Working on the crash sensors won't set them off if you do one of two things, remove the battery cable(best bet) or just the fuse to the SRS circuit. The Takata problem isn't that they go off by them selves it's that they are made wrong, too powerful. One of the departments where I worked made the wire harnesses for air bags and they had them sitting around with never an incident.

 

Again you accuse me of trolling. Disagreeing with you is NOT trolling, your name was never even mentioned. You may know what you're an expert on, but don't know what you don't know about. I have removed some where in the area of 75 to 100 air bags from cars in my life. Working at a junk yard owned by a friend and on my own vehicles. They themselves don't just "go off". Static electricity won't set them off. Working on the crash sensors won't set them off if you do one of two things, remove the battery cable(best bet) or just the fuse to the SRS circuit. The Takata problem isn't that they go off by them selves it's that they are made wrong, too powerful. One of the departments where I worked made the wire harnesses for air bags and they had them sitting around with never an incident.

I love when people claim "it must be true, a (court/politician) said it is true)". What do those sources have to say about technical truth or reality. Laughable.

 

Again you accuse me of trolling. Disagreeing with you is NOT trolling, your name was never even mentioned. You may know what you're an expert on, but don't know what you don't know about. I have removed some where in the area of 75 to 100 air bags from cars in my life. Working at a junk yard owned by a friend and on my own vehicles. They themselves don't just "go off". Static electricity won't set them off. Working on the crash sensors won't set them off if you do one of two things, remove the battery cable(best bet) or just the fuse to the SRS circuit. The Takata problem isn't that they go off by them selves it's that they are made wrong, too powerful. One of the departments where I worked made the wire harnesses for air bags and they had them sitting around with never an incident.

And once again your response ignores (i.e. interpolates) my point which being far less the 'shrapnel issue' Re: defective airbags (Takata) than hazards attending inadvertent deployment of any modern passive restraint system...

The Takata problem isn't that they go off by them selves it's that they are made wrong,

Might I ask what part of my responses ignore that fact?

I'm bound to disclaim the hazards attending said 'extraction' - exponentially so should the vehicle be equipped with 'fragmentation airbags'

Please be advised that the hazard is not limited to defective units -- Deployment of any passive restraint installation while the occupant{s} are not within the 'expected relationship' to the system is potentially deadly (and frequently injurious)... I'm aware of several instances whereon deployment occurred at 'ignition-on' as a result of wet floor carpeting (secondary to leaky windshields, back-flowing a/c condensate, etc...)

Failure to actually read your "target's" posts is rather transparent, don't you think? -- Sorry! I'm not buying the 'senility card' - Perhaps you feel feigning/mocking serious impairment is humorous? - I don't!

Working on the crash sensors won't set them off if you do one of two things, remove the battery cable(best bet) or just the fuse to the SRS circuit.

As previously stated, certain units remain dangerous (i.e. potentially 'armed') for up to six weeks following removal of external power according to their service literature... Shall we sweep that under the rug in deference to your vast 'empirical experience'?

your name was never even mentioned.

Another urban myth spread by people that don't know how things work.

Jeeeze... How ever could I have arrived at that notion?...

FWIW based upon your comments (here and elsewhere) you neither know nor desire to know 'how things work' - merely what 'seems to be' and/or what one can likely 'get away with' -- Again, I'm not buying it! You're not stupid (running self-effacement 'routine' and username not withstanding)! - A fact that, IMO, makes your games all the worse where safety is at issue!

Again you accuse me of trolling.

But your behavior parallels that of members that you (and others) have deemed 'trolls' (most especially failing to argue opposing points on their merits, obdurate insistence upon your views sans the least effort at credible support, wandering from topic to topic in search of a 'point of contention' and otherwise playing dumb! -- If you are not trolling then neither was RK -- But then, for all his nonsense, RK was courteous!

Sincerely
HP

PS - if you genuinely feel I've 'got you all wrong' I'll be happy to discuss it with you via PM or on another thread...

 

I love when people claim "it must be true, a (court/politician) said it is true)". What do those sources have to say about technical truth or reality. Laughable.

Granted! But then, IMNSHO, the most cautious advice is always correct where safety of life and/or limb (i.e. ability) is concerned!

Best regards
HP

 

Granted! But then, IMNSHO, the most cautious advice is always correct where safety of life and/or limb (i.e. ability) is concerned!

Best regards
HP

This is getting funnier and funnier. A healthcare professional talking about safety. So many accidental deaths are addressed by confidential tribunals and still, nothing improves. I’ve been to your cross-contamination centers (I believe you call them hospitals).

https://soundcloud.com/bmjpodcasts/medical-errorthe-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

Unfortunately, the third-leading cause of deaths in the US are hidden by doctors, “patient died of infection” is the current procdure - when it should day, “hospital killed him because someone was sloppy”

 

This is getting funnier and funnier. A healthcare professional talking about safety. So many accidental deaths are addressed by confidential tribunals and still, nothing improves. I’ve been to your cross-contamination centers (I believe you call them hospitals).

https://soundcloud.com/bmjpodcasts/medical-errorthe-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

Unfortunately, the third-leading cause of deaths in the US are hidden by doctors, “patient died of infection” is the current procdure - when it should day, “hospital killed him because someone was sloppy”

Touché (to wit: I'll take your word Re: the statistics) -- For all that, I assert that there are veritable gulfs intervening the motives of individuals and the failings of institutions/corporations...

Very best regards
HP

 

Would anybody like to make a post related to the topic at hand or has the thread run its course?
ZEP floor polish as an acrylic conformal coating