World's biggest transistor!

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wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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I'd like to see the biggest transistor. Any contenders that you know of?

This popped into my head while I was painting my porch today and I thought it would be easy to answer. Not so.

I've looked a bit online but couldn't find much. This stupid thing keeps popping up.

There could be more than one answer; physically largest dimensions, highest current, highest power.

Where would you expect to find really big transistors?
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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The 1000A current supply I used at NIST had six 150A NPN transistors in parallel with something like 0.1mΩ ballast resistors. (We won't talk about where the last 100A came from. ;) ) Each transistor was roughly the size of two decks of playing cards.
 

JDT

Joined Feb 12, 2009
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Thyristors are actually 2 transistors in an NPNP structure. So not exactly transistors. But they do get BIG. Here are some stacks of big ones used to convert HVDC power back to AC. These are used with long-distance under-sea power cables. Big enough?

 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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t n k brings up something I was going to ask, do IGBTs count as transistors? Since they are a npn with a mos "base".
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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Why wouldn't they count as transistors? It's a hybrid of a bipolar transistor and a field-effect transistor, so why couldn't the result be a transistor. And, while not definitive, the T in IGBT is "transistor".
 

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wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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These are used with long-distance under-sea power cables. Big enough?
That's a lot more like what I expected to find. 200A is an impressive transistor but I was expecting room-filling behemoths like these. Interesting.
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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4700A IGBT. I'm pretty sure I have run across larger ones before (10kA sounds right), but I can't find them now.

I almost bought a lot of 1200A 1200V IBGTs on Ebay one day. They were about the size and shape of 3" thick phone book.
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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t n k brings up something I was going to ask, do IGBTs count as transistors? Since they are a npn with a mos "base".
It seems to be common useage to use the word transistor to mean only a bipolar-junction-transistor (BJT), but the word applies also to MOSFETs, IGBTs, MESFETs, JFETs, etc. Notice they all have the word transistor in their name, which is a generic term for a three (or more) terminal semiconductor device that can perform linear gain (as opposed to SCRs, etc. that can't).
 

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wayneh

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Since it's only a question of idle curiosity, I'm accepting the widest possible definition, basically anything that can be called a transistor. The guts inside are irrelevant.
 

windadct

Joined Feb 25, 2013
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The largest are probably IGBTs - with the maximum Die ( chip) ratings around 4500V and 200-300A - in production ( I am sure some higher V versions have been built for research).

Most of these are used in modules (ref: http://search-ext.abb.com/library/D...LanguageCode=en&DocumentPartId=&Action=Launch ) witch closely couples anti-parallel and Freewheeling diodes - due to these high currents and fast turn off times ( to minimize switching losses) the chips can generate high V when turning off due to parasitic inductance and high dI/dt rates. The higher current of the modules 2000A - are due to paralleleing of the chips in the module, it is not uncommon for on module to have 20+ chips ( IGBTs and Diodes)

The larger systems mentioned are not single devices - but many devices paralleled.

The most common are the 200-300A 1200 & 1700V - this is reverse blocking V - so the application voltages for these are ~800 and 1100V DC Resp. - these are used in modules operating as a single "switch" of up to 3600A - functioning at about 500KW.
 

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wayneh

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The higher current of the modules 2000A - are due to paralleleing of the chips in the module, it is not uncommon for on module to have 20+ chips ( IGBTs and Diodes)...
Yes, I think the silicon die size is a limiting factor. Of course some huge silicon wafers have been made but maybe not used for making a giant transistor.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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It seems to be common useage to use the word transistor to mean only a bipolar-junction-transistor (BJT), but the word applies also to MOSFETs, IGBTs, MESFETs, JFETs, etc. Notice they all have the word transistor in their name, which is a generic term for a three (or more) terminal semiconductor device that can perform linear gain (as opposed to SCRs, etc. that can't).
Agreed.

IIRC, the term "transistor" is short for "trans-resistor", basically capturing the concept that the parameters at one port control the effective resistance across another port.
 

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
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Definitely a bad moment to read this thread: I was planning to use today a 2N2222 for some basic tests with a LED.

Feeling bad now. :(
 
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