Why there is an initial peaking at the instrumentation amplifier output

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hoyyoth

Joined Mar 21, 2020
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Hello,

Please find the attached simulation file of my circuit.
During simulation I can see an initial peaking at the instrumentation amplifier (U6) output.

May I know why it is happening.

Rrgards
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
38,316
The peaking is likely an artifact of how SPICE calculates the initial starting conditions.
Here is my sim using the startup option which ramps up the supply voltages:
I also had to modify my SPICE settings as shown below to get it to simulate in a reasonable time.

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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
38,316
I replaced all athe ADI parts with equivalent TI Parts.Lot of ringing at the output.Can you please check the attached file.
Sorry, I don't have those TI models and don't want to install them.

Ringing could indicate a feedback loop instability.
Trace the signal through the circuit and see if you can determine its starting point.
 
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RPLaJeunesse

Joined Jul 29, 2018
262
With no emitter resistors Q1 and Q2 have a lot of voltage gain in the loop. I would add emitter resistors to both such that the conversion of Q1 base voltage to Q2 collector current is much more predictable and linear. As needed add loop gain by adding gain to U2 via boosting R4. I'm also wondering if a series RC from Q2 collector to U2 - input might also help kill oscillation.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
27,165
Quite a constant current regulator circuit for the PT100 sensor. Of course there will be a spike until the capacitors charge up in the PT100 current supply.
 

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hoyyoth

Joined Mar 21, 2020
528
Hi,

I am attaching the simulation file of one of my circuit.It consists of many opamps and BJT's. I know how to check the stability of this circuit(I know it for single opamp circuits).

My input is V3(I_PT100_SET) and output is I_PT100_ACT .

Below is the output waveform.I can see some ringing initially.Can you please help me to compensate it.

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hoyyoth

Joined Mar 21, 2020
528
With no emitter resistors Q1 and Q2 have a lot of voltage gain in the loop. I would add emitter resistors to both such that the conversion of Q1 base voltage to Q2 collector current is much more predictable and linear. As needed add loop gain by adding gain to U2 via boosting R4. I'm also wondering if a series RC from Q2 collector to U2 - input might also help kill oscillation.
May I know How do I design resistors.

" boosting R4 " you mean increasing the value of R4
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
27,165
Until the capacitors charge to a stable voltage the circuit will not be in the stable conditions. Designing to avoid startup transients is often a challenge. Just exactly WHAT is C1 (22nF) doing for you?? That is undoubtedly the source of your spike, aside from the effects of assorted stray couplings.
 

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hoyyoth

Joined Mar 21, 2020
528
Until the capacitors charge to a stable voltage the circuit will not be in the stable conditions. Designing to avoid startup transients is often a challenge. Just exactly WHAT is C1 (22nF) doing for you?? That is undoubtedly the source of your spike, aside from the effects of assorted stray couplings.
That is a PI controller. C1 is a part of that.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
21,390
hi.
As you are skipping the initial state by using uic in your Tran, LTSpice is creating that high current artifact.
Without uic, this my plot.
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