I am depressed. I was happy to land a job at a major corporation. I went from 23/hr Junior air conditioning technician to 28/hr CST (Control Systems Technician) so I was happy. But to my horror I discovered that I was under the cruel supervision of a CSL(Control Systems Lead), J, who was an absolute PARASITE. He belittled me and yelled at me when he pleased but did not even know how to use a multimeter other than the voltmeter feature. He had me and 3 other CSTs under him. The whole place ran like shit because he refused to fix anything. He hid behind software installs all day with one of the other CSTs, B, so nobody would notice they are not working. They were lead by a regional Systems Engineer online from Indiana who was only an engineer by label. Basically, he was a pet of the contractors to the company. But all this was M-A-N-A-G-E-D by the department manager, BB, who rose up from technician, good-looking, a real smoocher to the completely corrupt upper managers who make the workers cry in the breakroom. They all tried to make B, a CSL really fast, but he is just a smoocher, so of course he flunked the exam because he does not even have basic skills. They wouldn't even let me take the test. But he has a certificate from PLC school he paid 50k for he brags about. He did a 6mos internship as NASA. But he can't even read PLC. I ended up with that responsibility. He wouldn't even help me because he can't and hates me. But I realized that I was hired to spy on BB, because he did not hire me. I never found out who. But I was told to report all my findings every day so I did. But one day BB had B follow me and he reported a safety violation. I dusted a scanner on the floor of a 4ft conveyor with a dust wand. The dust wand was short, so I reached in. Reaching under a running conveyor is a safety violation. I was immediately terminated. Upper management did nothing. I am thinking they are all on a kickback system from the contractors. I got job skills. I got an interview already tomorrow.
But what I want to ask you guys is this. I decided to go into air conditioning because I figured I live in Florida and air conditioning and refrigeration is huge. And I was right. You won't get rich for sure, unless you can be a businessman too, but you will never be jobless. But I really wanted to get into electronics. I know KVL, KCL, circuit analysis, transfer functions, state-space modeling... I know all that stuff and I never went to school. But I didn't because I was afraid I was gonna end up at a local sweatshop soldering MIC circuit boards for $15/hr And here at this forum I am seeing all you guys and I am wondering where you all work. But to this day I have not met any of you guys out there. Where are you? Because I am sick and tired of working with so-called technicians who don't even know how to use a goddamn multimeter. I am just disgusted. Any thoughts?

 

Gone to graveyards every one. When will they ever learn.

Take up Art History

 

the answer to your question is the more everything goes software they don't need them. I know a guy in appliance repair you might try that. Dryers and washing machines are not that much harder than fridges. An after a few years you can always go independent and do a used store. what Part of florida I am down south?

 

<snip> But to my horror I discovered that I was under the cruel supervision of a CSL(Control Systems Lead), J, who was an absolute PARASITE. He belittled me and yelled at me when he pleased but did not even know how to use a multimeter other than the voltmeter feature. <snip>The whole place ran like shit because he refused to fix anything. <snip> But all this was M-A-N-A-G-E-D by the department manager, BB, who rose up from technician, good-looking, a real smoocher to the completely corrupt upper managers who make the workers cry in the breakroom. <snip>

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But one day BB had B follow me and he reported a safety violation. I dusted a scanner on the floor of a 4ft conveyor with a dust wand. The dust wand was short, so I reached in. Reaching under a running conveyor is a safety violation. I was immediately terminated. Upper management did nothing. I am thinking they are all on a kickback system from the contractors. I got job skills. I got an interview already tomorrow.<snip>

I am just disgusted. Any thoughts?

There's a gentleman on many of these electronic sites who goes by the handles Flyback and Treez, maybe some others. He has been active for as long as I can remember, and every so often, he posts a rant about his current or immediate past employer. It is always the same story. He's the only one in a group who knows the subject, but no one listens to him. His supervisors are jerks/idiots. When he stays off job issues, he has impressed me with his knowledge. A lot of people, myself included, have given him the best advice we could. Apparently, that has been to no avail.

Ten days ago, he posted on another forum one of the most disturbing things I have seen (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/work-...-not-necc-electronics)/msg3094384/#msg3094384 ). It's not often a single post sticks with me for so long. It was like being close to a suicide victim.

I won't quote the whole thing, but here are a few snippets:

My employer has terminated my employment, partly because of corona, and partly because in the project we were working on, I imparted enough knowledge that they could easily go on and finish the power supply by themselves (the guy most probably could have done it by himself anyway, even if I had never gone there in the first place).

I qualified with an Electronics & Communications degree in UK in 2002 {BEng (I) Hons}. I have worked in over 30 UK based Electronics
companies.

I am now applying for minimum wage cleaning type jobs etc , but they are pushing me away because they say I don’t have enough cleaning (or whatever) experience.

More than thirty jobs in 18 years, and now, he is finding the job market difficult. That is disturbing. Let's hope you are not on the same track.

1) Find a job you like. Money is important, but that will come later if you do well.
2) Your supervisor and co-workers are not idiots.
3) Follow rules. Sticking your arm into moving machinery is not smart. It is dangerous. Most important, it gave your employer a good reason to fire you on the spot. Your employer had an option. It could have given a warning, but apparently you created the situation where firing you was the best option.
4) Everything you do after high school becomes part of your history. There may not be a number attached to it, but there is a score.

 

Ten days ago, he posted on another forum one of the most disturbing things I have seen (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/work-...-not-necc-electronics)/msg3094384/#msg3094384 ). It's not often a single post sticks with me for so long. It was like being close to a suicide victim.

LOL... Poor old Fly.... Never heard anyone whinge about everyone like he does... Corona my ar**e... Probably because he shares every detail online...

 

If you are contemplating getting into HVAC @#12 is the guy to consult. He is in the Largo area.

 

Hmm that's funny something I was going to respond to disappeared.

My point remains the same though. Just remember that some people have chips on their shoulder because life really did screw them over. However life is not fair and none of those scars are a employers problem are they. I have found that for people like this abbreviated hours and flex hours can be a god send makes it all much more tolerable for them.

 

Where are the Technicians?
Back in the early 70's, large companies were coming to realize that there were all these high tech machines being installed in manufacturing facilities, but there was no one in between the Maint. electrician and the Engineer to keep them running.
Most of it was above the average electricians head, and the Engineer did not want to get his hands dirty.
So companies like Siemens, one example of whom made the equipment in question, started implementing Technician schools aimed at this very problem, local tech schools etc followed suit. At least in the UK they did.
Max.

 

Just remember that some people have chips on their shoulder because life really did screw them over.

No one avoids adversity. Our response to it defines us.

 

Iv'e seen the outside corporate support techs bought out by the company they were assigned to support and personally been "Reduced in Force" (polite term for fired without cause) to be replaced by contract support as needed. It goes both ways. Not just techs but engineers like myself also. It's a crazy mixed-up world so sit back and enjoy the ride although the ride at times seems to be to hell in a handbasket.

 

Iv'e seen the outside corporate support techs bought out by the company they were assigned to support and personally been "Reduced in Force" (polite term for fired without cause) to be replaced by contract support as needed. It goes both ways. Not just techs but engineers like myself also. It's a crazy mixed-up world so sit back and enjoy the ride although the ride at times seems to be to hell in a handbasket.

Yes! This is how I learned the "Adversity Lesson" I stated above.

I used to be an angry young man. After one of those events you described, my first instinct was to bitch at everyone involved. I chose a different tack: I thanked those responsible for the opportunity to have worked for them, and offered myself up as a contractor. They accepted (for more than I was being paid as an employee!), and it jump-started my career as an independent entrepreneur and future "Captain of Industry".

 

There was a famous book in the 1990s: Who moved my cheese?

In a nutshell, change is inevitable, but in modern times it happens really fast.
What used to take a lifetime or at least during a generation, nowadays happens within months.

 

There was a famous book in the 1990s: Who moved my cheese?

In a nutshell, change is inevitable, but in modern times it happens really fast.
What used to take a lifetime or at least during a generation, nowadays happens within months.

We tend to look on the past with rosy retrospection.

I try to stay objective. In most respects, my present is better than most of my past.

 

No one avoids adversity. Our response to it defines us.

If that is your response your missing my point. Even with the best "response" your not going to be ok with a drunkard father who beat you every day or your (mother,brother,sister,dog,pet turtle, whatever). Your not going to be be un chipped and "respond well" if your mother hooked you out to pedophiles at the age of 9 or any other of the horror stories that I can recount to you of people out there.

Guess the jist of what I am saying is you don't know what cross someone bears. Short of making them wear a read letter, which would be worse for them. A chip on the shoulder looks the same either way.

Perfect world would let us know some how. Give those people a hand up and firm atta boy when they dug there way out. That world is not this world. So tread carefully.

 

@joeyd999

On a personal note styx really there the worst of the 1960's acid rockers. Blah, I cant save you from your poor taste in music I suppose.

 

@joeyd999

On a personal note styx really there the worst of the 1960's acid rockers. Blah, I cant save you from your poor taste in music I suppose.

So I assume your prior post was not "on a personal note"?

 

If that is your response your missing my point. Even with the best "response" your not going to be ok with a drunkard father who beat you every day or your (mother,brother,sister,dog,pet turtle, whatever). Your not going to be be un chipped and "respond well" if your mother hooked you out to pedophiles at the age of 9 or any other of the horror stories that I can recount to you of people out there.


Guess the jist of what I am saying is you don't know what cross someone bears. Short of making them wear a read letter, which would be worse for them. A chip on the shoulder looks the same either way.


Perfect world would let us know some how. Give those people a hand up and firm atta boy when they dug there way out. That world is not this world. So tread carefully.

You do have a choice in how you internalize things though. Sure, in the heat of the moment, maybe you feel bent out of shape. But at some point you should just let it go and feel happy again. Hell, I've been so battered and bruised throughout the years, I could easily be one of those PTSD cases, hooked on pills and therapy. And although I often do reflect on those hurtful experiences I've been through, I don't dwell on them. I'm still the same warrior, but my spirit remains relaxed and at ease. Anger and hatred only beget frustration. Enjoy life, it doesn't last forever...

 

So I assume your prior post was not "on a personal note"?

Nope, seen some shit but nobody ever kicked my dog. Listen man the advice I gave is clear take it or leave it. I know allot of people who have had much harder lives than me allot of people who had it much more easy. But acted allot worse than I do. You know not what cross people bear and it is not for you to judge but for God.

 

You do have a choice in how you internalize things though. Sure, in the heat of the moment, maybe you feel bent out of shape. But at some point you should just let it go and feel happy again. Hell, I've been so battered and bruised throughout the years, I could easily be one of those PTSD cases, hooked on pills and therapy. And although I often do reflect on those hurtful experiences I've been through, I don't dwell on them. I'm still the same warrior, but my spirit remains relaxed and at ease. Anger and hatred only beget frustration. Enjoy life, it doesn't last forever...

Spoken like a man or lady that likes life. Yeah everyone should enjoy life and be happy. That's the point the euphemism "carry a cross is" exactly what your doing well. However some time anger is the appropriate response. Especially to abusers so its never simple right. There seems to be a bit of abuse on the astral field right now from my dreams. The defilement of something so sacred is a good reason to be angry right.

In the spiritual war bearing a cross properly means breaking the cycle of perpetuating evil. Anger from having to cary that weight and stopping the evil often manifests as a "Chip".

 

You know not what cross people bear and it is not for you to judge but for God.

But it is my choice in the people I hire (and promote).

Those with excessive baggage -- when carried to work -- are shown the door.