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Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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So renewable energy is used to produce electricity which is used to produce hydrogen which is used to power a turbine to produce electricity. Doesn't sound very efficient!
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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So renewable energy is used to produce electricity which is used to produce hydrogen which is used to power a turbine to produce electricity. Doesn't sound very efficient!
The article mentions that the technology can use other types of fuel as well. What I found interesting is its lack of a mechanical compressor.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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So renewable energy is used to produce electricity which is used to produce hydrogen which is used to power a turbine to produce electricity. Doesn't sound very efficient!
Probably not, but does efficiency really matter that much, at least in some sense?

If you are using renewable energy, then you are not using fossil fuels, but rather energy that is already going to dissipate itself on the planet anyway, be it wind or solar. So no matter how inefficient it is, it's going to contribute less to emissions. Of course, there are some caveats with this. It can't be so inefficient that the scale of the infrastructure needed to produce the hydrogen fuel is too expensive or build and operate. Also, the manufacture, construction, and maintenance of that infrastructure is not without its own emissions, which need to be amortized over their life and output, but the same is true of a fossil-fuel infrastructure if an apples-to-apples comparison is going to be made.

Also, if it is used as a powerplant for aircraft or other vessels, instead of electrical generation, or even if it is used for portable or remote electrical generation, that might make sense. It will all depend on what the pros and cons turn out to be.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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Ran across this while looking for other things:


I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, but this guy went so far beyond just making an interesting picture. He really put in effort to reverse engineer the sizes and locations of things based on the sets and even counting the number of steps actors took in going from one place to another.
 

WBahn

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What I wonder is if he did any checks to make sure that there were sufficient berthing, dining, and recreation areas to accommodate a 500+ crew size.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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What I wonder is if he did any checks to make sure that there were sufficient berthing, dining, and recreation areas to accommodate a 500+ crew size.
We Navy (600) were 3 deep
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and the Marines troops (2000) were 4 deep berthing in the 70's on a LPH.

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Most of the ST crew were Red Shirts, you can pack them like sardines. Looks like they had plenty of space on that starship.
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Other recreation?
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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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Most of the ST crew were Red Shirts, you can pack them like sardines. Looks like they had plenty of space on that starship.
Ah, but they DIDN'T pack the Red Shirts in like sardines! That's the challenge. The guy that did that went to great lengths to get things consistent with what the series showed, as best he could given that the show wasn't trying to make the sets to some overall ship layout, especially not to this degree of detail. So he as to give Red Shirts the berthing arrangements shown in the show. The one that comes to mind is the one where Kirk is confronting the gaseous creature that sucks iron from hemoglobin. A Red Shirt disobeys Kirk's order and gets confined to quarters, so we see that his quarters are (1) single person, and (2) not huge, by any means, but not very cramped, either. Plus, if they didn't cramp them in, what's the likelihood that they cramped any other crew member in that way? To some degree that makes sense -- this ship isn't going on a few month's cruise, but on a five-year mission.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Ah, but they DIDN'T pack the Red Shirts in like sardines! That's the challenge. The guy that did that went to great lengths to get things consistent with what the series showed, as best he could given that the show wasn't trying to make the sets to some overall ship layout, especially not to this degree of detail. So he as to give Red Shirts the berthing arrangements shown in the show. The one that comes to mind is the one where Kirk is confronting the gaseous creature that sucks iron from hemoglobin. A Red Shirt disobeys Kirk's order and gets confined to quarters, so we see that his quarters are (1) single person, and (2) not huge, by any means, but not very cramped, either. Plus, if they didn't cramp them in, what's the likelihood that they cramped any other crew member in that way? To some degree that makes sense -- this ship isn't going on a few month's cruise, but on a five-year mission.
Sure, it's IMO pure science fiction to think the equivalent of a E2-3 will have single person rooms. It's a five year mission but are not stuck on that ship for 100 to 200 days continuous out of year.

That said, I loved every second of TOS but I didn't watch that video because I don't care if it made sense, only cared about entertaining.
 
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WBahn

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Sure, it's IMO pure science fiction to think the equivalent of a E2-3 will have single person rooms. It's a five year mission but are not stuck on that ship for 100 to 200 days continuous out of year.

That said, I loved every second of TOS.
I had a single-person room as an E-3 for quite a while and a pretty spacious 2-person room for the rest of it. But the Air Force has a lot more room available in a barracks than a ship has.

I know it's science fiction, but one of the things that I've always disliked about sci-fi is that they set up the rules of their universe (and I'll pretty much let them have free reign in that), but then routinely and regularly break them whenever it's convenient for the script or screen writer -- and despite what many people that want to bow down to all things Star Trek, it was as bad about it as most of them. So what I particularly admired about this guy's work is that he went to great length to be faithful to the rules that Star Trek laid down, even the ones that it didn't realize it was laying down.
 
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