Tips in Electronics Without Appropriate measuring device

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Motanache

Joined Mar 2, 2015
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Fewyears ago I made a microcontroller SMPS project.
But it did not work first.

A colleague helped me find out for the mistake. We had something like this:


- Let's measure if the microcontroller out PWM!
- So how to measure with this PWM?
- Is 0...5V ?
- Yes
- The device shows 2.5V so we had PWM with Duty Cycle 50% because the pin can not have an analog value.
-.........................................

I'm waiting for your other tips suggestions.
 

dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
18,328
An oscilloscope would be best. You could try interval measurement with a frequency counter.

DMMs cannot measure square waves and probably don't work for anything other than sinewaves near line frequency.
 

BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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I have a FeelTech wave generator, a VC99 meter and an old analog scope.

I paid less than 40 bucks for that meter, new on ebay. I can measure a 5 volt P to P.... from DC to 15 MHz square wave dead on., with the frequency function.

I can measure a sine wave up to about 25 MHz.

Great meter. Great generator too.....even has a stored heartbeat.
 

bushrat

Joined Nov 29, 2014
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few DMM's that I seen will have trouble measuring proper voltages above few hundred Hz..
BR-549, I stand corrected..
 

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Motanache

Joined Mar 2, 2015
652
few DMM's that I seen will have trouble measuring proper voltages above few hundred Hz..
BR-549, I stand corrected..
If you are referring to the AC range then yes it is made to measure 50Hz.
the limit of 1N4007 is about 500Hz.

I measure the peak value of "alternative" voltage putting in series a fast diode and the DMM on voltmeter.
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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The low pass filter in the DVM averages the PWM value similar to the low pass filters we commonly use in PWM DAC applications.

Another "trick" is to make a peak detector so you can use the DMM to measure peak voltages, such as those appearing in switching power supply circuits.
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To measure small changes in voltages that are higher than the most sensitive scale on the meter, connect one side of the meter to a voltage reference then you can see small changes. I used this approach to check the monotonicity of a 5V 12 bit DAC.
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Motanache

Joined Mar 2, 2015
652
Or very small resistance with Wheatstone bridge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge

E.g. 0.33 ohms for AB audio amplifier.

Theoreticaly you can do that in AC to measure small L an C.

If you buy a 10 000uF capacitor and want to measure real C, charge them at known voltage value and measure time of discharge through R=10K with Voltmeter connected

If you have a good filter on output of RF amplifier you can estimate output power with an incandescent small light bulb.
The same with a fast dioda you can create a reflectometer???????????????
 
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philba

Joined Aug 17, 2017
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I'll use an Arduino Nano to devise special purpose test devices. For example, I needed to test several large value electrolytic caps the other day. My DMM could not handle them so I wrote a little program that used the ADC to measure the RC time constant with a known resistor (0.01%) and unknown capacitor (DUT). From that I could calculate the capacitance. Turned out to be pretty good for my needs and I did find the bad cap I was looking for.
 

philba

Joined Aug 17, 2017
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If you buy a 10 000uF capacitor and want to measure real C, charge them at known voltage value and measure time of discharge through R=10K with Voltmeter connected
That might take a while. Charging to 5V would take 1:40 to drop to 1.84V (RC discharge level). 1K would take 10 seconds.
 

jgessling

Joined Jul 31, 2009
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An oscilloscope would be best. You could try interval measurement with a frequency counter.

DMMs cannot measure square waves and probably don't work for anything other than sinewaves near line frequency.
My Tektronix DMM252 has a setting for Hz. Not sure what it's actually measuring but it did read accurately on a couple projects where I knew the answer. $38 from my local flea market, highest price thing I ever bought there.
 

dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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My Tektronix DMM252 has a setting for Hz. Not sure what it's actually measuring but it did read accurately on a couple projects where I knew the answer.
It has been my experience that on AC settings, meters expect sinewaves near line frequency.

Full disclosure: I do not have exhaustive information on *all* multimeters and my comments are of a general nature. Could there be exceptions to my statement? Of course. Would typical hobbyist type meters have that capability? Not likely.
 
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