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Now I know what it's like to be a Roto Rooter drain snake in the sewer line of a high rise apartment building.

 

we need to wait for that damn book

... it almost sounds like you'll be definitely buying the damn thing when it comes out ...

 

... it almost sounds like you'll be definitely buying the damn thing when it comes out ...

I almost certainly will, but not necessarily the first one or immediately. I hate reading books that turn out to be full of crap because, invariably, they form the basis for your understanding of the subject even once you know how much crap it had in it. So I generally try to wait until I can read enough reviews to have some confidence that the book is largely accurate.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/t...and-boys-soccer-team-2018-07-09-live-updates/

I hope that all of them will be able to get out safely. The rescue progress has been so far good.

 

It appears that all thirteen are now out and safe. Don't know if all of the divers are out yet, but if not, that should happen pretty soon. A lot of people can be very proud of a job very well done.

 

And they're all out... sure enough, the coach was the last one out, and he's being hailed a hero ... good for him, he most probably deserves it.

I sure hope the family of the navy seal who lost his life is not forgotten, and is properly taken care of.

 

And they're all out... sure enough, the coach was the last one out, and he's being hailed a hero ... good for him, he most probably deserves it.

I sure hope the family of the navy seal who lost his life is not forgotten, and is properly taken care of.

I think he will be. There's already a move in their legislature to posthumously promote him, which should increase his widow's benefits. In that same article there was also mention of retroactively recalling him to active duty so that his death will be an in-the-line-of-duty death. That's probably a stickier wicket, or at least it would be here.

 

Congrats for all who participated. Hopefully they learned from this experience, as well as others who followed the story. It's sad a diver lost his life in the process, my heart goes out to the family.

kv

 

It probably won't be difficult at all to do those things. There are no active political parties here right now, so making laws that are not in conflict with the constitution is pretty straight forward.

 

And they're all out... sure enough, the coach was the last one out, and he's being hailed a hero ... good for him, he most probably deserves it.

He'll have to face scrutiny for his decision to enter the cave, which the clarity of hindsight shows was foolhardy. But he's a kid himself and once things fell apart, he no doubt contributed to the overall success of a story everyone wants to celebrate. I doubt anyone is in the mood to crucify him.

 

Spelunking has many pitfalls,<Pun Intended> if or even your a professional. People in Utah enter caves or mines to explore only to die, rivers swift waters take others as well who have no idea the risk. Utah lake is so shallow in area's when wind kicks up waves roll and people die, not knowing can kill you. It's not stupidity but lack of experience, even dumb people survive because they know why, when, where, and what.

kv

 

Ignorance is not a crime.

 

The rescue progress has been so far good.

As long as you don't factor in the one death.
Max.

 

Ignorance is not a crime.

It is in the laws of nature. The punishment can be swift and sure.

 

It is in the laws of nature. The punishment can be swift and sure.

I disagree with everything about your post. Natural selection has no connections to crimes or punishments.

 

I assumed it was meant metaphorically??
Max.

 

I'm glad this turned out well for the people who were trapped. It's sad that the one diver died. I'm still trying to figure out how that happened. You'd think that they would have staged supplies along the route and that the divers would have made sure that they were being conservative and not add more grief to an already bad situation.

Elon Musk's mini sub wasn't needed. His heart was in the right place, but he flew off half cocked and was trying to come up with a solution before he knew what the problem was. It would have been useless in this situation.

For his sake, I hope he just allowed himself to get caught up in the emotion of the situation...

 

I disagree with everything about your post. Natural selection has no connections to crimes or punishments.

You strike me as a person with very little experience in real life.

Harold Berman has a book, Elements of Law. I cannot find it, but I did find: https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Functions-Law-Harold-Berman/dp/1566629675/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531251388&sr=1-14&refinements=p_27:Harold+J.+Berman

His books on legal theory make good reading. You might like them. "Laws of Nature" is a well recognized term to describe the errors to which I referred. And while ignorance is not against the laws in America, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Nature is non-forgiving.

EDIT (07/11/18): After a little checking, the name of the course was Elements of Law. The book was the same title and author as the one linked to above, but we used the first edition (1958). Hopefully, it is still a great book. Justice Ginsburg may have used it too.

 

I assumed it was meant metaphorically??
Max.

I assumed it was, that's why I had to speak up and disagree.

You strike me as a person with very little experience in real life.

Harold Berman has a book, Elements of Law. I cannot find it, but I did find: https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Functions-Law-Harold-Berman/dp/1566629675/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531251388&sr=1-14&refinements=p_27:Harold+J.+Berman

His books on legal theory make good reading. You might like them. "Laws of Nature" is a well recognized term to describe the errors to which I referred. And while ignorance is not against the laws in America, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Nature is non-forgiving.

Mr Worldly, Do you need me to point you to a few books full of metaphors about natural acts being crimes or punishments. Do you need me to point out all the joy those books full of metaphors have brought to world history?

 

I'm glad this turned out well for the people who were trapped. It's sad that the one diver died. I'm still trying to figure out how that happened. You'd think that they would have staged supplies along the route and that the divers would have made sure that they were being conservative and not add more grief to an already bad situation.

Elon Musk's mini sub wasn't needed. His heart was in the right place, but he flew off half cocked and was trying to come up with a solution before he knew what the problem was. It would have been useless in this situation.

For his sake, I hope he just allowed himself to get caught up in the emotion of the situation...

I'm surprised he didn't bring one of his boring machines instead of a mini-sub.