http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/d...xplosions-heard-u-k-concert-featuring-n763286

No doubt the work of the Little Jewish Grandmothers (LJG), British Chapter.

 

Maybe if Ariana Grande were seriously maimed, the attack would have produced a serious reaction from the left.

Note: a few of you libbies will accuse me of being flippant -- or wishing injury upon AG -- with this remark. And you would be wrong. Actual human beings were killed today. But that is OK....it's the West's fault anyway.

Flip? No.
A little sick maybe.

 

Flip? No.
A little sick maybe.

It pales to the acts of a death cult like Daesh eager to kill young women and girls in cold blood. Their radical objective hasn't changed. They seek Armageddon and a great war. They think the way to help make that happen is with sick atrocities on western societies and culture. Suicide terrorism is not even effective from a military standpoint, it's goal is to radicalize societies not win them. These Radicals are using Islam as a bomb and most if its targets are Muslims worldwide.

 

It pales to the acts of a death cult like Daesh eager to kill young women and girls in cold blood. Their radical objective hasn't changed. They seek Armageddon and a great war. They think the way to help make that happen is with sick atrocities on western societies and culture. Suicide terrorism is not even effective from a military standpoint, it's goal is to radicalize societies not win them. These Radicals are using Islam as a bomb and most if its targets are Muslims worldwide.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between wishing harm on a 23 year old from a 15 year old.

Both are sick.

 

Frankly, I don't see much difference between wishing harm on a 23 year old from a 15 year old.
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Both are sick.

I would say the effectiveness of the Daesh method to emotionally radicalize societies by actual premeditated murder makes his comments about possible harm pretty mild. The rational thing is to eliminate this Daesh cancer from the face of the earth because its an enriched version of Radical that has learned how to mutate Islam into a unstable critical mass in people. It's a fairly common feature of Abrahamic religions to have the death cult virus but unfortunately for some reason modern radical Islam has become the major carrier.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ariana-...rena-bombing-suspect-salman-abedi-isis-claim/

LONDON -- CBS News confirmed Tuesday that the man who blew himself up the previous night at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, was 23-year-old Salman Abedi, who was known to British authorities prior to the attack.

 

I would say the effectiveness of the Daesh method to emotionally radicalize societies by actual premeditated murder makes his comments about possible harm pretty mild.

As I said, "a little sick."

The rational thing is to eliminate this Daesh cancer from the face of the earth because its an enriched version of Radical that has learned how to mutate Islam into a unstable critical mass in people. It's a fairly common feature of Abrahamic religions to have the death cult virus but unfortunately for some reason modern radical Islam has become the major carrier.

While their elimination is certainly desirable, I doubt it's rational to think that we (the US) will be the ones do it.
It's like a cancer that has metastasized. You may cut out a large tumor, but that doesn't mean you have solved the problem.

 

As I said, "a little sick."

While their elimination is certainly desirable, I doubt it's rational to think that we (the US) will be the ones do it.
It's like a cancer that has metastasized. You may cut out a large tumor, but that doesn't mean you have solved the problem.
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'We' means the entire rational world including states like Russia whom people have stupidly criticized Trump for possibly classified information that might allow Daesh to be targeted before destroying international aircraft. The problem will always be radioactive and dangerous but hopefully far below critical mass after the Daesh money/support pipeline has been destroyed.

 

'We' means the entire rational world including states like Russia whom people have stupidly criticized Trump for possibly classified information that might allow Daesh to be targeted before destroying international aircraft. The problem will always be radioactive and dangerous but hopefully far below critical mass after the Daesh money/support pipeline has been destroyed.

Being a suicide bomber is very cheap. Do you think the guys in the UK were financed by ISIS? Somehow I doubt it.
Boston? San Bernardino?
Complicated religion.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/17/osama.bin.laden.al.qaeda/

 

'We' means the entire rational world including states like Russia whom people have stupidly criticized Trump for possibly classified information that might allow Daesh to be targeted before destroying international aircraft. The problem will always be radioactive and dangerous but hopefully far below critical mass after the Daesh money/support pipeline has been destroyed.

Maybe we could just get Russia to pacify Afghanistan.

 

Being a suicide bomber is very cheap. Do you think the guys in the UK were financed by ISIS? Somehow I doubt it.
Boston? San Bernardino?
Complicated religion.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/17/osama.bin.laden.al.qaeda/

The money pays for propaganda, training and indirect support. It's your classic cell terror structure.

 

The money pays for propaganda, training and indirect support. It's your classic cell terror structure.

Naw, most of that is done on line. They are spending the big bucks trying to hold territory. (think little white Toyotas and soldiers)

 

Naw, most of that is done on line. They are spending the big bucks trying to hold territory. (think little white Toyotas and soldiers)
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On-line/off-line, it's all the same. This idea that it's all by the internet ignores the reality of effective suicide missions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/26/us/politics/isis-spreading-in-europe-clapper-warns.html?_r=0

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/world/europe/manchester-arena-attack-ariana-grande.html

Britain is no stranger to terrorism. It suffered the attack in London in March, and the authorities say they have broken up terrorist cells lately. Britain’s threat level for international terrorism has for some time been at its second-highest level, indicating that an attack had been considered highly likely.

 

When will the super powers eliminate ISIS.
I wish to see that day.

 

On-line/off-line, it's all the same. This idea that it's all by the internet ignores the reality of effective suicide missions.

True, but that doesn't make it expensive. Hey, it's just a temporary job.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pa...is-attacks-likely-cost-10-000-or-less-n465711

 

When will the super powers eliminate ISIS.
I wish to see that day.

@R!f@@ you may understand this better than any of us. Maybe you can share your thoughts with us.
My feeling is it will take the superpowers decades to stop the terrorist attacks. While we may be able to bomb them into submission we cannot hold the ground. The net result is a state that is in worse condition than when we arrived. I'm not so sure Religion plays a huge part other than to split the people into tribes. What do you think?

 

True, but that doesn't make it expensive. Hey, it's just a temporary job.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pa...is-attacks-likely-cost-10-000-or-less-n465711

Sure, the material cost for the actual attack is usually minimal unless you use smart-bombs like we do when targeting the terrorist.

 

I'm not so sure Religion plays a huge part other than to split the people into tribes.

I don't mean to intrude, since your question was addressed to someone else... but here are my two cents anyway.

Religion is only an excuse for what's happening. The actual generations keep repeating the mantra of Religion being bad for society when the truth is that any other ideology is more than enough to bring out the worst evil of humanity. In fact, the worst catastrophes in history have happened when Religion has been suppressed for political purposes. Think of the so-called french Enlightenment and how it devolved into the era of Terror, or of the self-proclaimed Bolsheviks (The Majority) and how it quickly degenerated into the Soviet states and the horrible purges that followed... then there's the chineese cultural revolution ... need I go on?

The way I see it, this is a generational crisis and it's happening because people have stopped believing what their parents taught them, or have simply forgotten history or have laid aside the Golden Rule that brought us here and are now pursuing material interests instead of spiritual ones. Daesh has nothing to do with religion, they want to reestablish a Califate into a glory that never existed and enjoy the material riches that they never had. All of their promises are material, even in death! ... they're promised women, palaces and rivers of gold! if not in this life, then in the next! Their culture has never been one in the pursuit of love, but rather of power and pleasures... This is also true of the drug wars and druglords that are closer to home than Daesh... and they have nothing to do with religion either...

It will take at least a generation before this evil starts to diminish, if it ever does. This is because once people set an idea inside their heads, it is extremely difficult to eradicate, however wrong.

"Al-Ghazali detested the ancient Greek philosophers. He regarded human reason as a cancer upon Islam. His most famous work is Incoherence of the Philosophers, which attacks and refutes the claims of the ancients."

.. as Taliban religious police have written on their propaganda placards: “Throw reason to the dogs—it stinks of corruption.”

It's only through the proper education of the young where hope truly lies. I think it's sadly too late for those that are up in arms already.

 

@ronv
I really do not understand what these groups want. I tried reading and the sources just don't add up and the stories does not make sense.
So I just don't care about them any more, but it's really sad about what they do to us (Muslims) and to the rest of the humanity. All in the name of Islam and (Jihad). Jihad is very precious thing to Muslims, and it does not mean " KILL THE NONE BELIEVER". It's has a hell lotta meaning. Killing innocents ( whether a believer or a none believer ) is prohibited and does not mean Jihad.

Such acts does not fall under Jihad. You can believe otherwise if you wish but it will never change the truth. Dying for your religion falls under Jihad but not the way people are doing it these days.
They hope to get virgins ? The sure will get Fire Virgins.

Religion does not play a huge role in this terrorism the way I see it. But it is lead to believe that by the media, and by those who benefit from it. There is a lot of money that can be made via this terrorism business. It can control people. Fear controls people. Period. But that would not last forever.

Of course you can bomb them. But what is the end result. Innocents die. Women, Kids. Especially Kids. And I truly hate tht. The next generation is dying.
Look at what is happening around. Syria and Palestine. Children are dying. This action cannot be justified. But who can we blame. ISIS or Al Qaeda or tom dick and harry ?
Saudi, or America, or who ? Who can tell me who is the real culprit.
The culprits are the rich people. That is how I see it. Whether it is Americans or Saudi's or who ever is involved is involved because of greed.

The 9/11 attack ot WTC puzzles me. How can camel jockeys ride a plane and why did the securities did not see it. I cannot think of a way how any one can do how happened. Any on like so called Jihadists. I still could not understand it. The whole incident just don't add up to me the way that it was said was done.
But Bush get what he wanted I think. Sometimes it occurs to me it is an inside job. Why because due to the scale of the attack. Ofcourse any one can blow himself up. Explosives are easy to find in USA but a plane full of fuel. And not just one. It's not like they are laying around or are for sale.


What I think.
I think all this are preplanned. The way how media portraits Muslims. The Movies, the series.. The Muslim guy is either a stupid one, or the one that does not have a clue or the one with the bomb strapped or the one with the machine gun. It's all ways the same. All this constant bombarding has brain washed almost all of them. But I admit, it is funny, I sometimes LMAOF watching these cause I cannot help it.
And when media says Muslim terrorists...Bang ! it comes back. Those movie scenes. The beards the Arabic yelling. Sheeeesh !
And I admit. Job well done. Now a humble Muslim is also a terrorist. A women wearing a Hijab is a threat.

I am in an island right now as you know. The people here, almost all men have beards. ALL WOMEN wear hijabs. Yesterday I saw a bunch of tourist guest sight seeing visiting the island. There were couple of 6 - 10 year old kids and like 3 couples. To the Natives they are like naked, I mean shorts and T shirts. But I am sure to them the natives are fully covered. Ofcourse the natives are not like Ninjas...I mean the face covering ( which by the way is a choice and not to cover the whole face is allowed ) But Natives wear loose cloth and Hijab and most them prefer black.
Surprising thing is that the tourist aren't scared and I see it from there faces that they do not feel threatened. Everyone is smiling and says "Hi" when ever a native walks close by.
I do not understand this part. Should not they be scared for they are far away from home. Is it because they have never heard about all this crap from Media. I do not know why and it puzzles me.
Here a tourist is never under a threat. I am not speaking on behalf of the drug addicts or gangsters here. These crack pots are danger to us too.
But as a Muslim we are never a threat to Guests. And that is how it should be. But sadly that is not the case everywhere.
You must have heard that my country is 100% Muslims. If you believe that they you a stupid.
I know how things are and I am ashamed of it. Not that I am a Muslim but due to the lies being spread about how truthful we are. We don't hate you, we hate each other.

I can say a lotof things but it would be rather dangerous.

Americans and the rest should be afraid of one people and they are not Muslims.
Muslims and Christians go hand in hand up to some extent. But there is a real Enemy with in the US that US citizens does not know of.
And there is nothing the people can do but wait and see.
I dunno about atheists but I guess they are US citizens so I will include them as friends.

I will like to end from something that is said to happen as end nears.
Sudden death increases.
Knowledge dies.
People will be ruled by the less knowledgeable.
Fighting will increase.

Every one wants to save the world and make peace.
One thing that they don't understand is that this world cannot be saved.
Human race will die.
There is no living forever and no leaving this planet either,no matter how hard you try.

 

Fighting will increase.

Every one wants to save the world and make peace.
One thing that they don't understand is that this world cannot be saved.
Human race will die.
There is no living forever and no leaving this planet either,no matter how hard you try.

There still is a difference. Dying at 18 or 80. Throw in your towel if you will. I ain't doing that.

 

My 2c worth. Modern Islamic State or al Qaeda jihadists are an artifact of the Cold War. Marxist groups (Red Army Faction, New People's Army, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) were the traditional Cold War terrorist until the mid to late 70's. These groups while extremely violent mainly focused their hate on symbols of the state and the international system while wanting the hearts and minds of the people.
In 1979, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (after a covert US program Operation Cyclone from bases in Iran and Pakistan) in order to support Afghan communists who had seized power. This started a worldwide jihad in defense of Islam to stop the invaders. Starting in 1979 the US decided to use these mujahedeen, holy warriors in an all-out effort to fast forward the fall of communist during the 80's by the destruction and demoralization of the Soviet military in Afghanistan with money from Saudi Arabia and the CIA. Men like Osama bin Laden (from the Wahhabi school) left Saudi for this fight in Afghanistan and used his family money and connections to help drive out the Soviet invaders in 1989. Afghanistan was a primary battleground in the Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States. When the Soviet Union was dissolved on December 26, 1991 effectually both the Marxist groups and the holy warriors were dropped like hot potatoes. Osama bin Laden was banned from Saudi and moved first to the hell-hole Sudan and finally back to Afghanistan with the war lords that ran that hell-hole to form the Al Qaeda terrorist network and recruit the worst of the Marxist and Islamic terrorists.

In the mid-1970s, Pakistani intelligence officials began privately lobbying the U.S. and its allies to send material assistance to the Islamist insurgents. Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq's ties with the U.S. had been strained during Jimmy Carter's presidency due to Pakistan's nuclear program and the execution of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in April 1979, but Carter told National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance as early as January 1979 that it was vital to "repair our relationships with Pakistan" in light of the unrest in Iran.[7] According to former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official Robert Gates, "the Carter administration turned to CIA ... to counter Soviet and Cuban aggression in the Third World, particularly beginning in mid-1979." In March 1979, "CIA sent several covert action options relating to Afghanistan to the SCC [Special Coordination Committee]" of the United States National Security Council. At a March 30 meeting, U.S. Department of Defense representative Walter B. Slocombe "asked if there was value in keeping the Afghan insurgency going, 'sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire?'"[8] When asked to clarify this remark, Slocombe explained: "Well, the whole idea was that if the Soviets decided to strike at this tar baby [Afghanistan] we had every interest in making sure that they got stuck."[9] Yet an April 5 memo from National Intelligence Officer Arnold Horelick warned: "Covert action would raise the costs to the Soviets and inflame Moslem opinion against them in many countries. The risk was that a substantial U.S. covert aid program could raise the stakes and induce the Soviets to intervene more directly and vigorously than otherwise intended."[8] In May 1979, U.S. officials secretly began meeting with rebel leaders through Pakistani government contacts. A former Pakistani military official claimed that he personally introduced a CIA official to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar that month (Freedom of Information Act requests for records describing these meetings have been denied).[10] After additional meetings on April 6 and July 3, Carter signed a "presidential 'finding'" that "authorized the CIA to spend just over $500,000" on non-lethal aid to the mujahideen, which "seemed at the time a small beginning."[7][8][11]