Super Capacitor in Receiver

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robismod

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Looking at an old Onkyo HT-R520 stereo receiver for my brother-in-law. It suddenly quit passing any audio and I’ve found many postings about a DSP chip failure…but in looking inside to try and find the usual suspects, I ran across this little guy that appeared cracked open. (I’m pretty sure that can’t be good) I believe it’s located in the pre-amp board and after a while of searching I found it to be a Super Farad Capacitor. (Pics attached)
Shed a little light on this maybe?
 

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robismod

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C7001 Yep, it's blown. Replace and see what happens... What are the specs for it?
Are these the “specs” you mentioned? I’ve not seen a cap like this, but I guess these figures are what would be the same as printed on round ones. Since I’m a “Jackleg repairer” my first thoughts were this is some kind of power thing, like a SS relay or similar…I’m curious on why this particular type cap is used…
 

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nsaspook

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Are these the “specs” you mentioned? I’ve not seen a cap like this, but I guess these figures are what would be the same as printed on round ones. Since I’m a “Jackleg repairer” my first thoughts were this is some kind of power thing, like a SS relay or similar…I’m curious on why this particular type cap is used…
They are normally used as a battery substitute for storing settings and/or system configurations just like the coin-cell battery in a motherboard stores BIOS settings.
http://www.samwhatech.co.kr/product/datasheet/edlc/DA.pdf

https://adjuntos.yoreparo.com/default/0006/14/0b3fe3997361f64454a872200e5855851f22f0f4.pdf
C7001 DSP section.
 
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MisterBill2

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If an exact size replacement is not available, and there is adequate room, a physically larger cap could be used with longer leads. AND probably a physically larger cap with the same ratings will be more durable, and last longer.
 

SamR

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Looks like they gave you 3 substitute part numbers. Check them out and the possibility of a 150°C rating and longer service hours. Also, since that one blew, maybe a higher operating voltage spec.
 

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robismod

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They are normally used as a battery substitute for storing settings and/or system configurations just like the coin-cell battery in a motherboard stores BIOS settings.
http://www.samwhatech.co.kr/product/datasheet/edlc/DA.pdf

https://adjuntos.yoreparo.com/default/0006/14/0b3fe3997361f64454a872200e5855851f22f0f4.pdf
C7001 DSP section.
I saw that “DSP section”…I’ve run across many articles of so many of the Onkyo receivers suddenly losing audio, most due to a bad DSP chip. Most are reflowing them and adding heat sinks because the extreme heat was loosening up the solder connections. On this particular model I haven’t seen a “physical” chip with DSP label inside…I believe this unit is similar with DTS? Anyhow, after this fix I can dig in more to the audio missing thing…
Edit: opening up your second link I see that schematic with the DSP section shown. Thanks! Maybe I can grasp enough of that to help guide me…
 

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robismod

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If an exact size replacement is not available, and there is adequate room, a physically larger cap could be used with longer leads. AND probably a physically larger cap with the same ratings will be more durable, and last longer.
That would be better I think too. Especially if I can manage to get the old one off and keep enough there to solder on a replacement—Be great to not have to pull stuff to get that board out….
 

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robismod

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Looks like the backup cap to keep the Main Microprocessor happy. Are there "C7001" silk screening adjacent to part?

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I thought I looked all over to find that but gave up…and yet there it is!
Silk screen—you mean the print on the board on the underside or solder side? I don’t have it removed but maybe I need to go ahead and pull it?
Side question…this part doesn’t play a role in why the sound suddenly quit?
Thanks again.
 

wraujr

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The "C7001" would be white silk-screen near the part. It would not be underneath as it intended to help identify/locate components. Note the C7004 near the black electrolytic cap as an example. Your pictures don't show all sides surrounding the super-cap.

It the "Main Micro" is not operating properly, all bet's are off as to what will/won't work. If your brain is dead, you legs won't move, same concept.
 
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