One would think the OP could find all the answers he needs at http://www.waterfuelcell.org/ and it's associated forums.
What does "OP" mean? As for the waterfuelcell forum they don't like me for I am telling them that the sun comes up on this side of the bed and not where they thought is was. Most of them are like many I meet, will not read what I have to say, and cast me off with the scamsters. But some are now starting to come around, thows that know some science, physics and chemistry plus know how to do the math.One would think the OP could find all the answers he needs at http://www.waterfuelcell.org/ and it's associated forums.
I did answer you but that post was blocked for some reason. Here are some wavelengths that the oxygen atom will absorb: http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/oxygen.txt you will find 73 of them there, but note there are more. I chose 410.5 nm, 634 nm, and a white light who's main values are around 465 nm and 560 nm. Total LEDs in the design is 96 and here is a pic of it:OP = Original Post, the start of this thread. Which reminds me, what is the wavelength of the LEDs used to ionize the Oxygen? I'm very interested in this part, and can't seem to find it anywhere. At the very least what color is the visible light it emits?
Well said.h2opower,
The way to break through the skepticism is to show verifiable results, not interest or promise. That means a complete working prototype, with no loose ends that will be fixed "real soon now". And have those results and claims verified by anyone who cares to test them out. Once your finished application is confirmed, then honors, glory, and financial reward will be bestowed upon you for excellence in application engineering. Until that happens, Stan Meyer will be regarded as a huckster, and you, unfortunately, an imbecilic dupe. You got a long hard road ahead.
Ratch
Ah yes the mandatory conspiracy post, often followed by the religious or UFO post.To Ratch and S_lannan,
I know I have an uphill battle, being cast down by, what I like to call, "the hho band wagon group," wasn't easy, but I trust the math and science I am working with so I press on. As for the money I will just take the freedom this technology will bring as any direct threat to the energy sellers will more than likely result in death, "they" don't play far.
This whole war on terror is a lie http://www.rbedoes.vodpod.com/watch/1883072-nano-thermite-took-down-the-wtc to control the oil, and those that are behind it have long term investments. Do you think they will be happy to hear that the oil is nolonger needed? The internet is the only way to beat them and it has to be given away for free. Any signs of greed on my part will alert them to the threat and that threat will be nutrailized.
I hope this sheds light on why I just give this away,
h2opower.
I couldn't agree with you more, follow the science and leave the man behind is exactly what I have been doing. I have read about Farlander in the readings benthere posted for me to read, still have more to read though. That is why I ask everyone to read what I have posted for I only am concerned with the science and not so much in what Stanley Meyer had to say. If I couldn't find the answers in science I cast whatever he had to say down and/or put it on the back burner for later reviewing.Science is a funny thing. It is all about reproducible results, and is no respecter of disinformation. One working prototype, fully documented, is all it takes. There are a lot of countries and jurisdiction where you can't suppress results, the world doesn't work like that.
This is one of the key reasons HHO is held is such disrepute here. All it takes is one. We have had many come to this site, but never one real success. The guys trying to build circuits (and sometimes, hardware) do get help, look up a member named farlander sometime, he went much further down this road than most.
Funny think about UTube and perpetual motion machines (of which this is class), they show lots of results, but when you look real close it always falls apart, mostly because this is some fundamental science, and not easily violated. The other thing about any video, it lends itself to magic tricks. Whole planes can disappear without a trace, with no real effort.
Documentation and data is the key, the idea a government or industry can suppress both to the degree that seems to be assumed is laughable, especially in free countries.
Laws of thermodynamics
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The first established principle which eventually became the Second Law was formulated by Sadi Carnot during 1824. By 1860, as found in the works of those such as Rudolf Clausius and William Thomson, there were two established "principles" of thermodynamics, the first principle and the second principle. As the years passed, these principles were termed "laws." By 1873, for example, thermodynamicist Josiah Willard Gibbs, in his Graphical Methods in the Thermodynamics of Fluids, clearly stated that there were two absolute laws of thermodynamics, a first law and a second law.
Which is why hemp was outlawed, for that one plant was cutting into the Rockerfeller profits. It was used for plastics, rope, clothing, and E85 producing far more than corn or suger cane could, plus more. If you look into it you will find that the proabition was backed by the Rockerfellers too so that E85 would stop being used, due to it being outlawed, while they set up gasoline stations all around the country without any competition from alcohol.Oil will always be in demand, fuel isn't the only use. Also, don't think water replace all petroleum fuels in use. Even if this water fuel cell were proven 100% effective, it would still take many years to convert enough vehicles and other applications to be a threat to the oil companies. I just don't buy into the conspiracy angle.
You have neglected to mention the psychotropic effects of marijuana (AKA hemp).Which is why hemp was outlawed
I assume you're talking about John D. Rockefeller here. Back when he ran Standard Oil, plastics hadn't been invented yet. The first one was, I believe, Bakelite, and it didn't come along until the 1930s or thereabouts. E85 is relatively recent, likely from the 1990s, for that one plant was cutting into the Rockerfeller profits. It was used for plastics, rope, clothing, and E85
Alcohol production requires massive government subsidies to be competitive with gasoline, even at the much higher prices we now pay. In the absence of such subsidies, there wouldn't be much economic reason to prefer alcohol over gasoline, especially given that it requires roughly a gallon a gas to produce a gallon of alcohol, not to mention all the water and fertilizer required to grow the plants. Back in John D.'s day, all you had to do was sink a drill into the ground, and the oil would just flow out, and you could refine it into all sorts of commodities.producing far more than corn or suger cane could, plus more. If you look into it you will find that the proabition was backed by the Rockerfellers too so that E85 would stop being used, due to it being outlawed, while they set up gasoline stations all around the country without any competition from alcohol.
h2opower.
This video will answer that question for you.You have neglected to mention the psychotropic effects of marijuana (AKA hemp).
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Gasoline is also subsidized, but we Americans don't see the true cost of the fuel. Just think why are other countries paying $8.50 a liter or more? For that is the true cost, when Gasoline finally does fall I am willing to bet they will keep on taxing the people, for the people have no knowledge of the taxes they pay.Alcohol production requires massive government subsidies to be competitive with gasoline, even at the much higher prices we now pay. In the absence of such subsidies, there wouldn't be much economic reason to prefer alcohol over gasoline, especially given that it requires roughly a gallon a gas to produce a gallon of alcohol, not to mention all the water and fertilizer required to grow the plants. Back in John D.'s day, all you had to do was sink a drill into the ground, and the oil would just flow out, and you could refine it into all sorts of commodities.
The reason that people in some countries pay $8.50 per liter or more for gasoline is that these countries tax this fuel very heavily. The fact that the US doesn't tax gasoline at such high rates does not constitute a subsidy.Gasoline is also subsidized, but we Americans don't see the true cost of the fuel. Just think why are other countries paying $8.50 a liter or more? For that is the true cost, when Gasoline finally does fall I am willing to bet they will keep on taxing the people, for the people have no knowledge of the taxes they pay.
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