New report on resources required to build EVs

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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You realize why you are now asking, "huh"?

It's because you sometimes give such short replies that you cannot be fully understood.

You said:
"Replace EV with ICE. Easy. Done."

What is that supposed to mean?
You said, with respect to EV charging problems, "There are a lot of ideas problem all of them are difficult to implement."

My easy idea, no problems and easy to implement: replace EVs with ICE.

Easy. Done.

No more problem charging EVs.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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"Replace EV with ICE. Easy. Done." translates to "Replace Electric Vehicle (drive) with "Internal Combustion Engine"(drive), and the charging problem is solved.
Really, though, if all of the resources WASTED on trying for a computer driven car had been spent on developing a better battery powered car, we would have the solution in hand.
All that would have had to be demanded from the start would have been one rule: "The software SHALL BE BUG FREE FROM DAY ONE". No weekly updates.

That one requirement would kill the computer driven car concept deader than ever considered possible.
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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Really, though, if all of the resources WASTED on trying for a computer driven car had been spent on developing a better battery powered car, we would have the solution in hand.
Real men gave up on EVs loooooong before computers existed.

They were smart enough -- over 100 years ago -- to know there's no there there.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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You said, with respect to EV charging problems, "There are a lot of ideas problem all of them are difficult to implement."

My easy idea, no problems and easy to implement: replace EVs with ICE.

Easy. Done.

No more problem charging EVs.
Oh I see what you mean now, thanks for clarifying.

Yes, ha ha, I guess that would take care of the charging problems. They can't steal wire that isn't there anymore :)

However, we have to be practical too for the most part. It does not look like it is going to be that easy to just get rid of EV's. That means we have to come up with solutions that include those dang trouble making things.
"for the most part" does not necessarily mean all the time though :)

I do like electric motors better than gas powered motors though. I've had very, very few problems with electric motors even when used a lot.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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The very large and difficult issue with battery powered EVs is charging them. And the problem there is the power demand from the electric grid, which in many areas is quite old. So the problem becomes electric power availability towards the user end of the string.
This becomes worse because of the push toward electric heating by groups that have vastly insufficient technical understanding.
Quite often, letting blind fools steer "the ship of state" leads to unpleasant results.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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ICE is the practical answer.

EVs are impractical, no matter how you look at them.
Hi,

You are right, but what I meant by "practical" is a way to mitigate what we have before us that we can actually change. I don't think we can get the entire country to go back to ICE, they are just too convinced the EV's are the future. Many companies put a huge amount of cash into this venture also, so we are very unlikely to change that. That leaves us with the need to find an alternative solution that may not be the best one, but it might help.

We can insist on ICE till we drop dead, but it's unlikely that will happen, so I figure that is at least presently an impractical solution.
We know we can get to another star in four years if we can travel at the speed of light, but because we can't actually do that yet, we have to accept that it's going to take a lot, lot, longer to get there if we really want to go. Presently it's impractical.

Maybe you can write to your representative where you reside. See what their take on this is. We'd have to convince a lot of them to try to force some kind of retrograde.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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The very large and difficult issue with battery powered EVs is charging them. And the problem there is the power demand from the electric grid, which in many areas is quite old. So the problem becomes electric power availability towards the user end of the string.
This becomes worse because of the push toward electric heating by groups that have vastly insufficient technical understanding.
Quite often, letting blind fools steer "the ship of state" leads to unpleasant results.
Yeah it's nuts what we are seeing these days. Like everyone somehow got off their rocker that has the ability to force change.
I read about that natural gas is becoming deprecated which leaves only electricity for heating, which again is virtually insane.

This all goes to show how closely related things are in the world. It's an entire system where one thing affects many other things which in turn affects other things, etc., until something goes drastically wrong. It almost seems like we are doomed.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Certainly things are changing, but the worst is that so many people are changing toward lazy, selfish, and stupid. It looks to me like it is headed towards some rather unpleasant event similar to the predicted "Judgement Day".
Not that I am going to let that bother me, since I am not in charge of that event. And I m very glad to not be in charge of it.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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I recall the article, or another one about the same system. Of course there do exist generator/UPS systems that use that method to provide instant backup from power stored in a spinning flywheel. I can see it working in a fixed location, I suspect nobody ever considered the fun to be had moving a 1500 pound gyroscope in a buss.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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I recall the article, or another one about the same system. Of course there do exist generator/UPS systems that use that method to provide instant backup from power stored in a spinning flywheel. I can see it working in a fixed location, I suspect nobody ever considered the fun to be had moving a 1500 pound gyroscope in a buss.
Hi,

Yes, and it would be interesting to see the effects it would have on maneuverability or if the ride was smoother. Gyros have an effect on how you can rotate an object which means a change in direction. A single flywheel would prevent a change in one dimension, or rather diminish the ability to change in that direction. I wonder what overall affect this would have on the piloting of the vehicle.
 
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