Stay away from any serial programmers, You will only come to grief with them. Order a Microchip device like PICkit 2 or 3.@ t06afre: Thank you for your help. i am going to try this out too
will have to find out if the starter kit's available in this part of the universe
i hope it is. the programmers available here are all designed to use the serial port and i was told that the accompanying software won't recognise a USB - serial converter.
By the way which part of the world are you located in?