If are the victim of a criminal and you have monetary losses originating from that crime you should be entitled to receive compensation from the criminal in any country.
Punitive damages are given in the US under special circumstances.
If the damage of those spectacles directly incurred other loses or prospective loses you should obtain those damages in any country, but the Tort system is very intricated indeed. If not you could challenge it to the Supreme Court of that Country or go to an International Court. You will have to prove all that with evidence and the Judge has to buy it of course.
Usually there are especialists that can calculate damages and you can introduce those expert witnesess in Court they usually get a percentage.
If you get sued you are in deep problems everywhere, the best is just to do what is right we all know that.
Now that you brought differences of the application of Justice and the different Laws depending on countries (because Justice is the same or should be everywhere). It came to my mind a carry over gun problem that I had while being a turist.
What made me think about the necessity of having an International set of laws and Court for foreign visitors in case they break the local laws outside their country of citizenship.
When you visit a country you have to abide their laws but you are not a citizen of that country meaning that you are in a disadvantage from the Citizens, for instance you can not vote or have any effect in any laws in that country. Why should you have to abide to their application of justice and even statutory Laws that are probably obsolete and you don't even know nor can change.

 

There was no crime here, just hurt feelings.

The moderator did his job. End of story.

 

Bill there are not hurts feelings from my side I am cool with that moderator I even buy him a beer if he wants. This is just a dialog about different legal issues I just brought up. I have nothing against this site nor intent to sue anyone here I like this site. And actually that is the reason I brought this to their attention to advoid future problems that may develop not with me but with others nembers.
This is a peaceful discussion to get educated, we all could learn from what was said here.
It has nothing to do with electronics that is why is in the off topic section.
I still think that moderators should be very careful about erasing members comments unless they are offensive or illegal that was the main message.
Certainly this thread is getting longer than I expected and is mainly my fault. And I think we got the message and we should save some bytes for the Electronics topics now.

 

legal issues? where? cite references to these laws that were broken. REAL examples. not what you THINK are issues. If this is not such a big deal why have you continued and broke out the constitution (protects man from government, not system admins), and keep crying "law breaker" when no laws have been broken?

 

Your are the guy that has been barking around the thread and now you want me to do case reasearch for you free, hahaha. But if moderators of this forum ask me I will do it for free for the page sakes. There is plenty of case Law and other laws supporting my point. HONESTLY I HAVE READ THEM. Besides use legal logic, however I am a nice guy believe me. Now look how careful this site is about removing content they understand the Law a little more than you.
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I've always noticed something in my legal battles. Many people think that what others do and get away with is legal. This people or Companies have gotten away breaking the Law for years. Then comes alone a lawyer or a "sui juris" person and makes them learn the Law the hard way.

 

You say read laws, yet you can't cite which laws are broken, and you are not a lawyer, and therefor are in no position to accuse others of breaking the law. If you're still pissing and moaning over this, hire a REAL lawyer and QYB.

PS: Glad you can bold specific portions of text. What you fail to realize is they still MAINTAIN the system and can DO WITH IT WHAT THEY PLEASE -- including deleting your post. They are under no obligation to keep your material. Not to mention the fact that they can change and update terms of service as they see fit. Why don't you bold me the text that says "Your posts will not be altered or deleted without your permission due to the Freedom of Speech act of the US Constitution"? *rolls eyes*

 

I'm sure storage space here isn't an issue, but when I ran a small BBS on an old computer, I had to do frequent maintenance. I had to decide what should be preserved, and what was just taking up space. I would never have let a thread like this go for more then a day or two, serves no purpose and derogatory.

I've never heard of any court case involving a BBS or a forum like this being sued or prosecuted for deleting content or banning a user. I can't imagine where you would get the idea that the owners are under any legal obligation to store your poor typing on their server indefinitely, or ask permission of each and every user if its okay to remove their posts. Your stubborn attitude that they are breaking laws, and could be sued is insane. It's not been done. Removing content harms no one. No money is lost or gained. No one is asked to pay for this service. The rules, expectations, and consequences are made clear at registration, and easy to find later on. All changes are posted, no surprises.

It's free, accept the gift, and appreciate it. This thread is like some one giving you a brand new computer, and you complain about their not spending the extra $40 for the extend warranty or in-house service plan, it's a FREE computer!

 

Do you know how to read a complete thread?. I have done it twice in California and made money with them and can provide case numbers CV04-5175 FMC (SSx) and BC 324781. Now when was the last time you made money deposing Executives and suing a Corporation by yourself???. I know of docens of other cases suing BBS and Websites personally.
You do not have a clue about damages, you do not have a clue about Internet Law and you do not have a clue about personal rights, you do not have a clue about what the public offers to places like this. Judges do get disgusted when people like you start talking in front of them so much nonsense. I had the pleasue of seen people like you in Court. I suggest you read this complete thread a few times until you wake up a little and continue making remarks in other threads that suit you better ,this one is too much for you to handle. I wished I was one of the members on your BBS just for fun because I have the impression I wouldn't get any money from you. Be courteus to others and please don't, there is no need to reply to this.

 

Do you know how to read a complete thread?. I have done it twice in California and made money with them and can provide case numbers CV04-5175 FMC (SSx) and BC 324781. Now when was the last time you made money deposing Executives and suing a Corporation by yourself???. I know of docens of other cases suing BBS and Websites personally.
You do not have a clue about damages, you do not have a clue about Internet Law and you do not have a clue about personal rights, you do not have a clue about what the public offers to places like this. Judges do get disgusted when people like you start talking in front of them so much nonsense. I had the pleasue of seen people like you in Court. I suggest you read this complete thread a few times until you wake up a little and continue making remarks in other threads that suit you better ,this one is too much for you to handle. I wished I was one of the members on your BBS just for fun because I have the impression I wouldn't get any money from you. Be courteus to others and please don't, there is no need to reply to this.

So, your main hobby isn't electronics, its frivolous lawsuits. And we, at AAC are fortunate that you don't see a profit at the moment, or don't need the money right now? I don't have the time to find those court cases right now, a direct link would have been nice. Not sure if its even worth the search for which county or court, then trying to find if the numbers are valid, just to find they aren't even relevant.

I had no complaints about deleting content on my BBS, everyone knew about the limited space. This was before the internet was wide open to the public.

I spent a few days in Civil Court, and held my own without a lawyer (rodents), wasn't easy. I know there are a lot of things to learn, the correct forms, how to file motions, wording. But it's not that bad once you get into the flow, and make sure everything is done on time. Sometimes just showing up in court is enough to win, like the last time I was sued!

 

So I am a liar now too.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civil/
Go to case summary and introduce the State number. The Federal Court does not keep records on the Internet that I know of.
These were Defendant's attorneys they charge 500 dollars per hour and 180 per hour paralegals.
www.cooley.com
I also sued two attorneys from that firm named Michael Rhodes and Allen Weland.
They spent 27,000 dollars on that case.
State case:
Expenses mine about 620 I even filed a fee waiver.
Defendant claimed more than 387,000. On this case alone.
The Federal case lasted 2 years up to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and expenses close to 700,000 estimated.
As weir as this may sound; one attorney named James Patterson called me and told me to please stop harassing his client because they were over charging the client, he felt bad about it, can you believe that.
In the Federal case I also deposed Bill Cobb (CEO) but they refuse to present him claiming that he did not know nothing about the operations of the web site. Then I did Rob Chesnut Senor Vice President of eBay. I still have the deposition on a disk its really funny. Chesnut has ben a Federal Prosecutor for 14 years and he has a Juris Doctorate from Harvad Law school. He was actually getting out of the deposition room to called others to ask them what to answer regarding my questioning. He is really dumb he told me numerous times he was going to the bathroom or to take a break. Once I followed him and he saw me and then run to an elevator he was on the phone I heard him asking, I laugh. I could not belive his answers, no reasoning. What can do an useless individual like that do for a company. Mainly because of him they lost. By the way I still have an account with eBay and they know is mine but I don't use it. They sued me for that and they lost, they respect me now.
In the State case I had 9 causes of action in the Federal I had 2 you think all that is frivolous.
Why you people think I want to sue. I SAID IT BEFORE I DO NOT WANT TO SUE ANYONE HERE ARE YOU BLIND. They can cancel my account if they think is appropiate I don't care I can log in with a different IP. I still will not sue them I like this site it is a great tool for learning. I have not done anything wrong here I can think of. Where you get this funny ideas. This is just a dialog, but I think it is wrong to delete or modify posts on an ongoing thread by Moderators I was asking what you guys think about it thats all. It is not wrong to sue anyways, that is your right, to defend yourself if someone causes you harm. If I ofended anyone it was not my intention really.

 

@theamber,

So, are you claiming to be Miguel Y. Rodriguez? That individual claimed in BC324781 that ebay defamed him (slander/libel) and sued ebay. The case never went to trial, was apparently settled, and was dismissed by the court in January, 2006. Anyone can come up with case numbers.

CV04-5175 FMC does not come up with anything. Can you give a link to that case. Was it Superior Court in LA?

In reading your response, it seems you were more interested in running up the legal bills of the the defendant than in righting any wrongs. Is that correct, or did you actually receive damages in any of the cases?

John

 

You are absolutely right that was one of my strategies. It should be a stipulation somewhere there we both agreed in the conditions for the dismisal. I was damaged by Emotional distress, Real and prospective economic advantages too. The Libel case was just one cause of action there were 8 more causes in that case. The other case is a Federal one in the US District Court. That is a Federal Court, people usually don't sue there you need to be an expert in Constitutional Law. The mayority of lawyers cannot even practice law there they need a especial license. Judges there are appointed for life by the President.
I don't know of a web page, but you can go to the US District Court Central District Western Division at 312 N. Spring St. Los Angeles CA. and see the case is plublicly available.
But what that has to do with the purpose of this thread?. I said I sued eBay for a similar thing that what I am arguing here. I am not a lier I am a very correct person. I know in the USA the goverment bases its policies on lies so I understand your global distrust. The main American person is not bad but unfortunately the people do not have a clue what their goverment is doing.

 

I'd still love to know how you plan to explain to a US judge that a non-business, non-profit, privately owned website ran in CANADA is responsible for your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. No, seriously. What part of the constitution covers Canada?

Because as far as I can see, you and everyone else on here can and will have their posts modified/deleted at will as seen fit. If you don't like it, start your own board. Nobody cares who you've sued. The fact that you brag about it does little to make people sympathetic to your "cause". Maybe we can all get together and invent an electronic device to get that sand out. kisses.

 

There may certain terms in the trade agreement that change legal
things.The agreement has a lot legal language in it.Check it out.
COPY RIGHT-LOOSEWIRE-ALL RIGHTS DESERVED

 

So, on the last page, you claimed the lawyers made about $1.3 million total for those three cases. How much did you get for all your efforts? I'm guessing little to nothing, since you are bragging on the damage you did, rather than the rewards you received. Seems rather vindictive, for deleting a post on Ebay.

Dismissal isn't really a win, the judge didn't rule in your favor. I view the dismissals in my cases as a win, because I didn't get ordered to pay any money. Without a judgment, there is no way to collect.

I still don't understand how Ebay and AAC are the same. Ebay is a business, they exist to make profit. AAC doesn't charge any money, and exist for educational purposes. Different rules apply. True, I don't know much about the laws or court system. My self learning was focused only on defense, and I had to move very quickly. It's not easy reading, but I got it to work, so I can't be that stupid.

Think I'm done with this thread.

 

I'd still love to know how you plan to explain to a US judge that a non-business, non-profit, privately owned website ran in CANADA is responsible for your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. No, seriously. What part of the constitution covers Canada?

Because as far as I can see, you and everyone else on here can and will have their posts modified/deleted at will as seen fit. If you don't like it, start your own board. Nobody cares who you've sued. The fact that you brag about it does little to make people sympathetic to your "cause". Maybe we can all get together and invent an electronic device to get that sand out. kisses.

First I suggest you to study some facts about Law and Justice start by the definitions of both terms.
Now Why would I sue a Canadian Business in the US makes no sense. Last time I checked Canada was a sovereign country. The US justice system has no jurisdiction over Canada. By the way I don't know if you've notice that I am currently in Mexico. Baja California is within Mexican territory.
This is how you do it, first you sue and if necessary exhaust all the appeals in the Country of origen then you still have another chance in an International Court, unless there is an imminent danger for you to sue from that country. If so you can jump to an International arena a commence the lawsuit there. Just like many people are for example suing the Sadam's goverment from a save harbour in the US. I never sued from abroad but it should be possible I can check on that. I have a feeling that this site as soon as they start to have some heavy traffic they are going to start to run some type of advertisements here that is life.
Why you want to sue anyone?. How old are you?

 

Harveyh42 you don't understand one thing, usually people sue the companies because they have more money than their employees. Companies are vicariously liable for the actions of their employes. But here is the catch; you can also make another lawsuit on the individual that caused you the harm too therefore you can kill to birds with one stone.
I had sued companies and individuals that caused me harm usually the individual settles for a few thousand dollars in less than 30 days to avoid hiring a lawyer.
That is why you do an stipulation, you have to get paid in order to dismiss.
Why did I abuse your legal system have you read my State case? or you just talk the talk. I can email it to you if you ask in my private mail, then tell me what you think. I sue people who caused me harm and monetary losses.
About the political remarks; your country is still doing war. Japan is the only one that helps the US with hard cash but not for long. I am up to date with Japanise news I know they are getting tired.
About how much I made with eBay I will tell you that I haven't work for the past three years. But I am running low in cash right now, why you want to help me.

 

And they call Americans litigous. I've never sued anyone in my life, had the chance, but decided it wasn't warrented. It was an accident and the individual tried to do the right things (plural) afterward.

There are circumstances to sue, but just to collect money... ick.

 

Thanks for all input from all members who contributed here.

We will review all information and comments, along with relevant statutes and case law, and make changes if necessary. I feel everyone has had a chance to have their input on this discussion, and in the interests of preventing this thread from degenerating into a discussion on each others "days in court" or a slanging match about government policy I am closing this thread. I have also edited off-topic comments on governments and policy as being irrelevant and un-constructive to the discussion - however controversial that may be in the context of this discussion.

If anyone has any further input, please feel free to contact me via PM.

Dave