Mathematics: Invention or Natural Phenomenon?

DerStrom8

Joined Feb 20, 2011
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Mathematics simply explains how everything works. It's not an invention, it's more of a description, like the reason why the sky is blue. I believe that if you knew all of the variables of one big mathematical equation, everything in the universe would be explained and nothing would be a mystery. You would be able to "calculate" the past, and the future.

What makes the world interesting, however, is that you can never know all the variables. ;)
 

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MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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I believe that if you knew all of the variables of one big mathematical equation, everything in the universe would be explained and nothing would be a mystery.
I thought that is what Higg's Boson particle did in a way?;)
I think that was the object of the program to some degree was attempt to illustrate how closely mathematics and the natural world are tied together.
Max.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Mathematics simply explains how everything works. It's not an invention, it's more of a description, like the reason why the sky is blue. I believe that if you knew all of the variables of one big mathematical equation, everything in the universe would be explained and nothing would be a mystery. You would be able to "calculate" the past, and the future.

What makes the world interesting, however, is that you can never know all the variables. ;)
Sorry... but I have to disagree. A deterministic interpretation of the universe robs it of the only thing that, for me, makes life meaningful and worth living... and that is Free Will
 

DerStrom8

Joined Feb 20, 2011
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Sorry... but I have to disagree. A deterministic interpretation of the universe robs it of the only thing that, for me, makes life meaningful and worth living... and that is Free Will
And that's exactly where things get interesting--"Free Will". I believe there was a thread here a year or two ago asking who believes in Free Will. I surely believe in free will, but that doesn't mean it's not determined by different factors, such as what chemicals are running through one's brain at the time of making a particular decision. The types of chemicals, the amount of these chemicals, etc ultimately determine what the person decides. But the person still makes the decision on their own--they may not be forced into it by another person. That is the definition of "Free Will": To make a decision without being forced one way or another by outside forces.

If one had all of the variables, they would know what everyone is thinking at any point in time.
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I think math is one of our better inventions, a language to describe things very precisely.

I'm surprised no one has brought up chaos theory.
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I don't think it is a discovery, as it is a language. One with very rigid rules.

The universe doesn't really care if we understand it or not.
 

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MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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I would try and watch the Nova show.
It may not change your idea but maybe modify it.;)
Either way it is an interesting watch.
Max.
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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I don't think it is a discovery, as it is a language. One with very rigid rules.

The universe doesn't really care if we understand it or not.
I would almost be tempted to disagree on the rigid rules aspect seeing how many college level professors I have had the displeasure of butting heads with have worked so hard at coming up with supposed workarounds that defy the very concepts of what I see as mathematics and how they relate to reality. :(
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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In the beginning was equations and the equations were with Math and the equations were Math and was in the beginning with Math when all formulas were made and without Math was not anything formulated that was formulated.

And all those who study; will have ever lasting test scores. So say'eth Math.

e.g. And all those who believe in studying shall not be corrected by "WBahn" :rolleyes:

kv:)
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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Hmm, cleaner than mine.
Do you get any sort of corrosion problem with the sea air in your part of the world?
Salt corrosion moves inland less than a mile in most places. Chronic humidity is the curse of huge sub-tropical locations.

The top end is all painted or aluminum or stainless steel, but the chuck and the working table have to be wiped regularly with an oily rag.
 
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