Mastech MS8229 continuity test fail (brand new)

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rambomhtri

Joined Nov 9, 2015
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See ~8 minutes in. The guy addresses the continuity function and its scratchy beeper operation.


Then totally fails to understand that's the degree of sensitivity you want a good meter to pick up on when doing such a test. :rolleyes:
Wow, amazing video, I really love that guy, he explain things so well. Just by looking a few seconds at things internally he already knows what's all about them, hahaha. Somehow I did not watch his video before (before buying the DMM), and now I know why. He's reviewing the Mastech MS8268, I have the MS8229. It looks quite similar, but I've just seen a comment of a guy that has bought the MS8229 instead of the MS8268 (which by the way is older) because he saw a really noticeable difference in the reviews of these 2 DMM (obviously he meant he saw way more positive reviews of the MS8229). As I don't have the MS8268, I can't include it in the video to compare them. May be the MS8229 is a little better than that, although I think I've seen that very same "crap" fuse in mine too.
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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Wow, amazing video, I really love that guy, he explain things so well.
Well if that how you feel then I am done here because if you read the comments under his video you would have seen I and several others tore into him for being a biased inexperienced idiot over the number of things he says and general misconceptions he got wrong in his video. :(

I simply wanted to use the video to show that those meters make that scratchy beeping sound by design due to their continuity check sensitivity and not by being defective. Everything else in the video he largely got wrong or was just regurgitating common uneducated misconceptions about how handheld meters are used, how they work and what separates a quality one from overpriced junk. :mad:

As far as his video the most educational thing he could have done was to have kept his mouth shut the whole time. :oops:
 

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rambomhtri

Joined Nov 9, 2015
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Well, I wasn't expecting that reply at all. I mean, by all the details he is constantly looking for and how he talks, I'd swear he's been using a lot of DMM and knows a lot about it, that's how I felt when I saw the video.

Someone that doesn't know what he's talking about does definitely not explain how that fuse is made, how the components are soldered, guesses right how the screen was joined to the IC, etc...

What are you exactly referring to when you say he spreads uneducated misconceptions?

Quote some examples if you want.
 

Hypatia's Protege

Joined Mar 1, 2015
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What are you exactly referring to when you say he spreads uneducated misconceptions?

Quote some examples if you want.
@rambomhtri

For examples of @tcmtech 's point please go to the video's youtube page HERE then scroll down and read other viewer's comments (most of which are critical)...

FWIW I found the presenter's 'fear' of the HFE feature especially annoying! -- Inability to meaningfully interpret so basic an indication is a sure mark of a 'dabbler' utterly ignorant of such fundamental semiconductor concepts as the effects of temperature, junction size, etc, upon small-signal gain... The principal utility of said function (where incorporated in a DMM) is matching of devices and 'go no-go' evaluation).

Perhaps the presenter is a 'nice guy' he certainly appears to be -- unfortunately disposition has little bearing upon competence:rolleyes:...

Very best regards
HP:)
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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What are you exactly referring to when you say he spreads uneducated misconceptions?
It's rather complicated to explain other than it comes down to experience. When you have it you recognize those who have it and those who are faking it.

It's like comparing life knowledge between a grade school kid, a high school kid and a adult who has been out of school for 20+ years.

You're in the grade school level of electronics experience. How he is talking and what it shows is he's somewhere in the high school level trying to fake being an experienced adult. From a grades school level life experience you won't see what's wrong with what he says but from a well experienced adult perspective it's dead easy to pick out as faking it.

For me and others the things he points out as being considerable flaws and weak points in the design are largely unrealistic non issues. Plus much of it is simply meaningless or common but wrongly interpreted fallacies, misconceptions and conceptual terms that most inexperienced people use to sound like the know more than they do about the subjects he covers.

As for the fuse, so what? To most competent experienced people they would either spend the 25 cents and buy the higher quality fuse or they would know that in real life testing work not to go sticking their multimeter leads on some high voltage high capacity power source without making sure that their meter was not setup in a dangerously wrong testing mode to begin with.
 

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rambomhtri

Joined Nov 9, 2015
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Yeah, I agree with you in the fuse subject, although it's crap, you should know what you are doingand don't rely on the fuse in case you mess it up. Nonetheless, we humans make errors, and a properly made fuse is something you want instead of a chinese style fuse.

About all the rest of the message, wow, I feel I'm talking to a politician. You said many many things but forgot to actually answer the only thing I asked, I don't see any quotations.

Anyway, forget about the video, I'm uploading my own later.
 
I had an intermittent glass fuse twice. Maybe from the same batch. It drove me nuts. Out of circuit, it tested good with an ohmmeter. Replaced it with a similar one. It behaved in the same way. In circuit, it would open. Used the voltage across the fuse test.
 

Hypatia's Protege

Joined Mar 1, 2015
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About all the rest of the message, wow, I feel I'm talking to a politician. You said many many things but forgot to actually answer the only thing I asked, I don't see any quotations.
Sigh!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Again, if it's 'specifics' you require, you need merely read the video's comments! -- While we're genuinely eager to assist you in your study/experience of electronics please be advised that such does not include 'chewing your food' for you!...

I daresay a little less attitude (on your part) would go a long way! Please consider it!:cool:

Sincerely
HP
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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While we're genuinely eager to assist you in your study/experience of electronics please be advised that such does not include 'chewing your food' for you!...
Well that does seem to be the growing trend and demand on the internet now.

'Just agree with me even if you know I am unqualified and wrong or shut up, but also give me your life's worth of knowledge and skills summed up in a facebook lenth post or you don't count as anyone credible I need to listen to. Oh, and I expect you to do in a grammatically perfect (from my perspective) even though I give you txt spk replies for it your efforts. (insert emoji that gives the wrong meaning here) '. :p
 

Hypatia's Protege

Joined Mar 1, 2015
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Well that does seem to be the growing trend and demand on the internet now.

'Just agree with me even if you know I am unqualified and wrong or shut up, but also give me your life's worth of knowledge and skills summed up in a facebook lenth post or you don't count as anyone credible I need to listen to. Oh, and I expect you to do in a grammatically perfect (from my perspective) even though I give you txt spk replies for it your efforts. (insert emoji that gives the wrong meaning here) '. :p
By Jove! I believe you've got it!:D:D:D
Which being a veritable finger on the pulse of the 'rising generations':rolleyes:;)

TTFN
HP:cool:
 
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