Lost Craft, Lost Knowledge

visionofast

Joined Oct 17, 2018
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The recent generations even don't have a chance for thinking about "Nostalgia", because everthing is gonna change fast ,in comparison with few decades ago.just like a runnung race you even don't get a while to look backward.
 

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
5,011
As a cadet in the Naval Academy, I was taught the common tasks to prepare, rig and maintain ropes and cables used in vessels, jointly with a flowery vocabulary and the inevitable knots.

Four or five of these last, allowed me to get out of difficult situations until not long ago.

Currently, in freighters, to find someone who knows something about all this, the best bet is to ask for the Bosun.
 
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ApacheKid

Joined Jan 12, 2015
1,762
Sometimes “the way we used to do things” is pure nostalgia, not something better, maybe as good, but often worse. However that’s not always the case. I’m sure many of you have experienced seeing a younger person working a job you have done and using a “new” tool to do something it’s just not right for because they don’t even know about the “old way”.

I’ve seen this many times, but a signal incident for me was watching a very competent crew of electricians rewIring one of my buildings for new network infrastructure. The building went up in the 30s and had bearing walls of hardened brick throughout. It was an academic building in the old style. The cable runs had to penetrate these walls in a few spots.

To do this, they were using $300 2” carbide drills (foolishly, not in a hammer drill, but that’s a separate issue). It took an hour or so total to drill a hole and destroyed a bit with each one. With a proper hammer drill it would have gone faster and preserved the bit but even that wasn’t needed. I asked them if they had a star drill and they look at me blankly. I pointed out that a few feet form these pretty hole was a jagged one that probably took about 10 minutes to make, using a star drill. A tool they’d never even heard of.

This is probably because they’d never had to make holes in hardened masonry before since building aren’t built that way. In this case the cosmetics didn’t matter, so the hole could be made and sleeved, in less time, without sacrificing tools.

Today I have a very nice hammer drill, a Bosch Bulldog with a 1” capacity, and lovely carbide bits for it, but I also have a star drill and a drilling hammer and know when to use them. As we lose senior people, the younger ones don’t get the transfer of craft and knowledge and so some things get much better while others get much worse or have to be re-“discovered”. Some percentage of Innovation is actually just a new wheel, and it’s not even as good as the old one since it doesn’t have the benefit of long evolution.

I would guess you can tell your own stories of lost craft. I’d like to hear them.

NOTE: the closest I can find today to the star chisel is a bullpoint. So I can’t even buy a new one if I want it.
Well your point is proven! I'd never heard of a "star drill" and I'm no novice with tools, DIY etc., so I learned something today !
 

jgessling

Joined Jul 31, 2009
82
I know about a star drill from going to a museum. The display was about getting the tunnels dug under Donner Summit for the transcontinental railroad in the high Sierra. Back then the drills were pounded into the granite and rotated as it went. Even under the snow in winter. Sierra Nevada is Spanish for “Snowy Mountains” after all. Put the explosive in the hole, blow it off and you’re another few inches farther. Tough dudes, a lot of them Chinese. Read more about it here:

https://www.sierrasun.com/news/the-big-bore-conquering-the-sierra/

Regards.
 

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Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
10,235
Well your point is proven! I'd never heard of a "star drill" and I'm no novice with tools, DIY etc., so I learned something today !
When there wasn't even a single one for sale on Amazon I began to wonder if I had dreamed the whole thing...
 
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