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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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joeyd999

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Perhaps, from a technological POV, X is obsolete, but it still feels far more useful and adaptable than Wayland to me.

Happy 40th, X. I'm going to miss you.

Aside: does Wayland over SSH even work, yet?
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Perhaps, from a technological POV, X is obsolete, but it still feels far more useful and adaptable than Wayland to me.

Happy 40th, X. I'm going to miss you.

Aside: does Wayland over SSH even work, yet?
X is not going anywhere just like the bourne shell (as bash) is not going anywhere. Wayland is a kludge just like X but X is stable and it works. I've been working with X since XFree86 on the PC and X on old DEC hardware in the 90's with NCSA Mosaic.

11 years ago.
 

ApacheKid

Joined Jan 12, 2015
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Books are expensive. I will not give up on X.
Why not save all the pain and just leverage Avalonia? Modelled after WPF which was an unparalleled advance in UI architecture. I've worked on VERY sophisticated UIs built with WPF (Now superseded by MAUI but that has no Linux support) and there is now way these could have been coded and unit tested using these older primitive UIs.

For example WPF (and MAUI) and Avalonia offer resolution independence, where a UI that fills (say) the middle 50% of a screen will also fill 50% of the screen if the resolution is increased, lots of other powerful capabilities too.

This UI isn't just pretty pictures, all of the elements are interactive like the pie charts, Hebrew/Greek text and so on, although this image is from the WPF app, one could likely achieve comparable sophistication with Avalonia and have it run on Linux.

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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Why I hate systemd and don't run it at home (I use Devuan) unless the application is very select application like Home Assistant on a seperate server. The systemd virus has the hands in too many things to be safe. A stupid 'init' boot system (systemd-tmpfiles) can create user home directories (if the directory didn't already exist) and purges them by default, what could go wrong using a system to create tmp files to create directories that are NOT tmp files. :eek: A total gotcha.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-tmpfiles-purge-drama
Systemd 256.1 Fixes "systemd-tmpfiles" Unexpectedly Deleting Your /home Directory
Initially the bug report was shot down by systemd developer Luca Boccassi of Microsoft with:
So an option that is literally documented as saying "all files and directories created by a tmpfiles.d/ entry will be deleted", that you knew nothing about, sounded like a "good idea"? Did you even go and look what tmpfiles.d entries you had beforehand?

Maybe don't just run random commands that you know nothing about, while ignoring what the documentation tells you? Just a thought eh
Red Hat open source developer Zbigniew JÄ(TM)drzejewski-Szmek: "We need to rethink how --purge works. The principle of not ever destroying user data is paramount. There can be commands which do remove user data, but they need to be minimized and guarded."
Systemd contributor Betonhaus: "Having a function that declares irreplaceable files — such as the contents of a home directory — to be temporary files that can be easily purged, is at best poor user interface design and at worst a severe design flaw."
 

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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Why I hate systemd and don't run it at home (I use Devuan) unless the application is very select application like Home Assistant on a seperate server. The systemd virus has the hands in too many things to be safe. A stupid 'init' boot system (systemd-tmpfiles) can create user home directories (if the directory didn't already exist) and purges them by default, what could go wrong using a system to create tmp files to create directories that are NOT tmp files. :eek: A total gotcha.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-tmpfiles-purge-drama
Systemd 256.1 Fixes "systemd-tmpfiles" Unexpectedly Deleting Your /home Directory
As a general rule, backup early and often...
 

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joeyd999

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BTW, my FreePBX phone system box died (catastrophic hardware failure) the other day. Broke out a new box and had my phones up and running within 45 minutes.

If I were smart, I'd run a parallel backup system which would fail over automatically.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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BTW, my FreePBX phone system box died (catastrophic hardware failure) the other day. Broke out a new box and had my phones up and running within 45 minutes.

If I were smart, I'd run a parallel backup system which would fail over automatically.
Look into the cheap HPE DL380 GEN9 systems. You still need good backup but they have lots of redundancy and very good hardware predictive failure monitoring.
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KeithWalker

Joined Jul 10, 2017
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After reading all the comments on Linux, I finally gave it a try. I have been thinking about it for some time now. I bought my wife a new windows 10 laptop for her birthday to replace her old and very sluggish Win7 one. I removed all the stuff she had running in the background on it and did a general system cleanup but it was still unbelievably slow so I bit the bullet and installed Linuxmint 19.2 with cinnamon. I was amazed at the ease of downloading and making a USB boot drive. There was not a single hiccup in the process. I tried it, briefly , running on the USB drive and then opted to install it on the hard drive. Again, it went without a hitch. It took care of all the drivers without a fuss and I was up and running in less than an hour from starting the 1.9Gb download. The laptop now runs at a very acceptable pace and the interface is easy to set up and use.
In windows, ever since XP, I have very rarely been able to add drivers and applications without some kind of complications. The latest on my Win8.1 desktop computer - HP automatically updated the driver for my Laserjet pro printer (without asking) and now the computer thinks it is a CD ROM drive and cannot print to it. I have not been able to find a way to change it back into a printer yet. Maybe I can get it running it from Linux on the laptop.
Thanks for all the positive comments about Linux that finally gave me the courage to try it for myself.
 

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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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After reading all the comments on Linux, I finally gave it a try. I have been thinking about it for some time now. I bought my wife a new windows 10 laptop for her birthday to replace her old and very sluggish Win7 one. I removed all the stuff she had running in the background on it and did a general system cleanup but it was still unbelievably slow so I bit the bullet and installed Linuxmint 19.2 with cinnamon. I was amazed at the ease of downloading and making a USB boot drive. There was not a single hiccup in the process. I tried it, briefly , running on the USB drive and then opted to install it on the hard drive. Again, it went without a hitch. It took care of all the drivers without a fuss and I was up and running in less than an hour from starting the 1.9Gb download. The laptop now runs at a very acceptable pace and the interface is easy to set up and use.
In windows, ever since XP, I have very rarely been able to add drivers and applications without some kind of complications. The latest on my Win8.1 desktop computer - HP automatically updated the driver for my Laserjet pro printer (without asking) and now the computer thinks it is a CD ROM drive and cannot print to it. I have not been able to find a way to change it back into a printer yet. Maybe I can get it running it from Linux on the laptop.
Thanks for all the positive comments about Linux that finally gave me the courage to try it for myself.
If the computer doesn't already have it, do yourself a huge favor and get an SSD. 500GB are less than $50 and the speed improvement is hugely impressive.
 
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