Maybe they decided it doesn't work...

 

Maybe they decided it doesn't work...
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Or couldn't find more investors for the current innovation, so it's back to the drawing board for another investor innovation.

 

I remember something similar being advertised as "a marketing breakthrough". Now it's not often you see advertising that honest!

 

Or couldn't find more investors for the current innovation, so it's back to the drawing board for another investor innovation.

This forum has a pretty good track record of BS detection and reporting.

 

This forum has a pretty good track record of BS detection and reporting.

I don't think it's anything special here.
For those types of 'new energy' stories, if you just say no, without even reading the article, you're likely to have a 99% accuracy rate.

 

The closest I have seen to this is a:
Tidal stream generator
The problem being you need a very large tidal change like for example The Bay of Fundy up in Canada. A Google of "tidal change generator" or similar should yield some results. The concept is nothing new but placing it into a profitable system takes some expense and it's just not practical.

I could use solar panels to pump water up a hill to a reservoir and during evenings have the eater come back down the hill and drive a turbine but if it were really practical we would see more. Getting something for nothing sounds wonderful until we actually try it.

Ron

 

I don't think it's anything special here.
For those types of 'new energy' stories, if you just say no, without even reading the article, you're likely to have a 99% accuracy rate.

Some people take umbrage at the skepticism, especially if it turns out to be without foundation.

 

Some folks take umbrage at the laws of physics also. Along with not believing anything about thermodynamics.

The part that bothers me right now is the number of Game Changing Battery Discoveries that I see that never make it to market. The vast majority seem to be valid, and recognized by folks who are familiar with how stuff works.

 

Some people take umbrage at the skepticism, especially if it turns out to without foundation.

I can live with it and I will gladly be wrong if one of the great innovations brings the new millennium of clean, green, boundful energy. Lots of promises and lots of betrayal so far. Skepticism by default is good science.

The Sagan standard: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

 

Some folks take umbrage at the laws of physics also. Along with not believing anything about thermodynamics.

The part that bothers me right now is the number of Game Changing Battery Discoveries that I see that never make it to market. The vast majority seem to be valid, and recognized by folks who are familiar with how stuff works.

Possible in a lab but not practical in engineering kills off most new discoveries. Silicon is still king because it works at mass scale engineering and manufacturing, not because it's the best possible semiconductor.

 

Possible in a lab but not practical in engineering kills off most new discoveries. Silicon is still king because it works at mass scale engineering and manufacturing, not because it's the best possible semiconductor.

It is certainly a hard journey from even a great lab discovery to production with an adequate yield.
And usually even truly great discoveries might wait a while until a believer with capital comes along and is convinced enough.
If any one of those game changing discoveries ever make it, things really will change.

 

Some folks take umbrage at the laws of physics also. Along with not believing anything about thermodynamics.

The part that bothers me right now is the number of Game Changing Battery Discoveries that I see that never make it to market. The vast majority seem to be valid, and recognized by folks who are familiar with how stuff works.

The powers that be are firmly in place. I agree there are many technologies which could work if they were funded. The problem is every stakeholder (especially the government) takes a piece be it fees or services where most are drown out (myself included). I don't think it's a technical problem as much as a sociatal one. We are still in the lobster era where the tangibility of a resource is worth more than the resource itself (people want fancy cars and houses, not the tech they build). By this I mean there are more than enough minerals to go around if only the bureaucracy was less intense. I've been watching debate on Canada's battery production and this is painfully clear. Then again, Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

Unfortunately, resources, just like good looks, and musical talent, are not evenly distributed. My guess is that it was planned that way to encourage sharing and cooperation.
Then, consider that the infrastructure to support electric vehicle charging still does not exist so that everybody can drive an EV as much as a gas powered vehicle. And if you run out, you can't go and get a can of kilowatts to put in the battery and get going again.

 

Unfortunately, resources, just like good looks, and musical talent, are not evenly distributed. My guess is that it was planned that way to encourage sharing and cooperation.
Then, consider that the infrastructure to support electric vehicle charging still does not exist so that everybody can drive an EV as much as a gas powered vehicle. And if you run out, you can't go and get a can of kilowatts to put in the battery and get going again.

They may not be evenly distributed but they are distributed. From a geologic perspective, all we have to do is go get them. Of course I'm being simplistic about it but the reality is it's that simple. As a global economy we have the tech to mine just about anywhere. So what is the actual bottleneck here? It seems to me leaders are still too busy being racist. I use that word correctly here because I often watch my government's proceedings. The issue more often than not is people just don't like each other (just watch Question Period). I like to think of myself as a technical person and this boggles my mind at the stupidness. Even panning for gold is illegal in most regions! It's there but you can't have it! You'd think this goes against the American dream!

 

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Even panning for gold is illegal in most regions! It's there but you can't have it! You'd think this goes against the American dream!

The dream is still alive in Oregon.
https://www.oregon.gov/dogami/milo/...ne/OregonsHeritageRecreationalGoldPanning.pdf

 

The dream is still alive in Oregon.
https://www.oregon.gov/dogami/milo/...ne/OregonsHeritageRecreationalGoldPanning.pdf
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My dream is to buy a claim deep in the Rocky Mountains but I might have been scared straight. It was when I was panning for gold where a cougar almost got me. My head was down and visions of riches were in my eyes. I'd really like to spend a summer mining for the hell of it and I've looked into a small operation. Apparently you CAN make a living but there is a lot of red tape.

 

My dream is to buy a claim deep in the Rocky Mountains but I might have been scared straight. It was when I was panning for gold where a cougar almost got me. My head was down and visions of riches were in my eyes. I'd really like to spend a summer mining for the hell of it and I've looked into a small operation. Apparently you CAN make a living but there is a lot of red tape.

 

The lack of understanding about what "energy" is allows the public to be continually scammed by both government and individual hucksters.

Science education must be prioritized!

 

The lack of understanding about what "energy" is allows the public to be continually scammed by both government and individual hucksters.

Science education must be prioritized!

Certainly science knowledge and understanding is quite important, no question about that. I had science classes in both grades seven and eight, with a science teacher who believed it was important to know the stuff. It even covered the basics of kinematics, which was quite a thrill for me at the time. Then came high school with so much time and effort wasted on old literature trying to teach us how to write, I think was the goal. Teaching by example without any explanations might work for some topics, but often is a waste of time. The explanation of what and why is what was missing at the time. Thermodynamics and kinematics would have been much more useful high school classes. A better understanding of kinematics would certainly help with driving safety.

 

It makes me wonder if it’s down to understanding the units. Would there be less confusion if, from an early age, we measured energy in Joules instead of kWh thus avoiding the confusion between kW and kWh, similarly Coulombs instead of Ah.

Science journalists seem to be the worst offenders, especially with their made up units: weight of an elephant, volume of a double decker bus, area of a football pitch, size of Wales etc.
Perhaps we could have a thread on daft units used by journalists. . .