I know it's just your take on this but my question is; how did you arrive at those conclusions?

So, what exactly is the unprovable 'soul' and how did you detect it?

You do know this thread is in the "off topic" forum, don't you? It's not in the math or science forums. Not all things can or will be able to be 'detected' or 'scientifically' proven. Continually asking for 'proof' makes it look like your wanting a fight, but I'm not going to be your guy in this. You win, I have no proof or detection claims. That said I still have the right to my thoughts, as do you to yours.

 

Intelligent design, intelligent design!!Rubbish! If it was intelligent design why would we need doctors to cure any disease. Everyone and everything would always be perfect! Made in his image!

Good point, assuming the the supposed creator was an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity. But that's not the only possibility for an intelligent design explanation.

 

Good point, assuming the the supposed creator was an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity. But that's not the only possibility for an intelligent design explanation.

I see things as they are in this known Universe as a process. So if all things maintain balance why then does it have to be perfect? It simply obeys the laws of the Physical Universe all things have an opposite and all things either expand or contract but when it comes to the body we are in a continual creation and destruction process which I have always respected and admire at the process. Why would the Universe behave otherwise and has always been my perception. It wouldn't surprise me in anyway that the 3 dimensional world we live in is just that and we can be observed from the forth dimension like a scientist observation at a petrie dish. If God exists then we are it's subject, Maybe its saying..... well that bacteria is Multiplying as expected.

kv

 

When we have claims of "I believe <insert extraordinary claim here> to be true" offered without justification there can be no discussion and such statements do nothing to advance our understanding of reality; they only reduce the signal-to-noise ratio.

It is nice that you are here asking some hard questions and attempting to point out the flaws, but I am not sure if you have noticed that this is an open discussion regarding everyone's thoughts and beliefs on the matter? Another thread could be started regarding the lack of hard evidence or how to go on living when your "belief" is supported by none...

 

It is nice that you are here asking some hard questions and attempting to point out the flaws, but I am not sure if you have noticed that this is an open discussion regarding everyone's thoughts and beliefs on the matter? Another thread could be started regarding the lack of hard evidence or how to go on living when your "belief" is supported by none...

I'm not offended because I have thick skin, I find the questions thought provoking and makes me dig deep into my thoughts about the matter.

I thank all who have contributed, some very good minds in this discussion and I'm proud to be able to even participate.

kv

Edit: It's not about the answers rather about the questions that exhilarate me.

 

I'm not offended because I have thick skin, I find the questions thought provoking and makes me dig deep into my thoughts about the matter.

I thank all who have contributed, some very good minds in this discussion and I'm proud to be able to even participate.

kv

this was not meant to offend and I was addressing one particular poster, I thought that was clear. I think this thread is great

 

this was not meant to offend and I was addressing one particular poster, I thought that was clear. I think this thread is great

I do understand but, I like people with above average intelligence because I am not one of them. I do however enjoy them because you always want to shoot pool with someone better than you, it improves your skillset.

Just so you know, I hold you and others on this site in high regard.

Sincerely,
kv

Edit: I think this thread is great Me too

 

I do understand but, I like people with above average intelligence because I am not one of them. I do however enjoy them because you always want to shoot pool with someone better than you, it improves your skillset.

Just so you know, I hold you and others on this site in high regard.

Sincerely,
kv

Edit: I think this thread is great Me too

I have made this comment here a few times myself. My skillset is pretty niche and questions don't often pop up here that are in my wheelhouse. But I still stay active on the forum (often in off-topic) because I like to surround myself with people who are smarter than I am.

 

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... I like to surround myself with people who are smarter than I am.

Oh boy... you should've said that from the start... now I'm gonna go sit in another table ... leave you and your smarter-than-life friends alone... ...

 

Oh boy... you should've said that from the start... now I'm gonna go sit in another table ... leave you and your smarter-than-life friends alone... ...

Hang on, let me fix that for you

I like to surround myself with people who are smarter than myself and @cmartinez .

 

I have made this comment here a few times myself. My skillset is pretty niche and questions don't often pop up here that are in my wheelhouse. But I still stay active on the forum (often in off-topic) because I like to surround myself with people who are smarter than I am.

Pretty much all of us fit that description. Everyone has one or a few strong skillsets and many other sets of diminishing capacity going out from there.
No real contention ever arises from like minds working on a solution. It's only when it becomes obvious someone is trying to fake being competent or knowledgeable in an area they clearly are not that causes problems. What happens from there is what ultimately sets the end results of the event for either good or bad.

Given all the people I have ever worked with or around I have never seen two of the same skillsets and knowledge ever come to a major point of contention over anything. But I have seen many instances where someone was trying to fake it and play well above their true capacity only to get called out harshly and worse for it. Often in front of everyone as well and at a great expense to them and the company in the end.

I've had to participate in such events more than once, three ultimately even leading to managers getting fired for such nonsense and in one case a whole local department losing a million plus dollars a year contract thusly getting shut down and replaced by a more capable and competent company in the area from it as well. ( A major department walkout occurred that could have been easily avoided had the one person in charge admitted they were in over their head and or had simply did his job as his job description and contract stated he was to do.)

It's why I tend to stick to topics I am comfortably familiar with plus can factually back up with a multitude of credible online references and don't go making many claims I can't back up with plausible proof. (unlike some others who seem to love wallow in false claims and general proud ignorance of them.)

 

Double post.

 

You do know this thread is in the "off topic" forum, don't you? It's not in the math or science forums. Not all things can or will be able to be 'detected' or 'scientifically' proven. Continually asking for 'proof' makes it look like your wanting a fight, but I'm not going to be your guy in this. You win, I have no proof or detection claims. That said I still have the right to my thoughts, as do you to yours.

How is asking for proof of a claim "looking for a fight" or an attempt to "win" anything?

Of course you have a right to your thoughts, I am just interested to know how you arrived at those conclusions. I am not saying that you are wrong, you may have a compelling argument for believing what you do, I don't know. Isn't a forum a place to discuss ideas?

How tedious and pointless would it be if we were all to make extraordinary assertions about the supernatural and then take offence and shut down the conversation when someone asks how we arrived at our conclusions? Come to think of it, isn't that how most established religions behave?

 

It is nice that you are here asking some hard questions and attempting to point out the flaws, but I am not sure if you have noticed that this is an open discussion regarding everyone's thoughts and beliefs on the matter? Another thread could be started regarding the lack of hard evidence or how to go on living when your "belief" is supported by none...

If people just want a comfortable safe place to air their beliefs in the supernatural without justification that's OK but it is neither productive nor interesting.

I will leave you all to indulge in whatever delusions you see fit and I won't offend you further with my simple questions. Only in theism could anyone claim to be offended when asked to provide justification for a claim.

 

If people just want a comfortable safe place to air their beliefs in the supernatural without justification that's OK but it is neither productive nor interesting.

I will leave you all to indulge in whatever delusions you see fit and I won't offend you further with my simple questions. Only in theism could anyone claim to be offended when asked to provide justification for a claim.

I believe Einstein was questioned on his Theory of General Relativity, one person asked how did you come to that conclusion, he replied it just came to me one day.

kv

Edit: Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.

 

Just one question; what evidence do you have for any of these claims?

My proof is my book.
I can quot from it but I think you won't like it. In fact I can quot things that are true and came to be true recently. Again you might not like it. So it is best to respect my belief. I respect yours.
But if you ask me with respect and sincerity, I will explain. But it might take some time. And this thread is not for that.

I believe in due time "the soul" might be proven with science.

Intelligent design, intelligent design!!Rubbish! If it was intelligent design why would we need doctors to cure any disease. Everyone and everything would always be perfect! Made in his image! I don't think so.

Good point, assuming the the supposed creator was an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity. But that's not the only possibility for an intelligent design explanation.

Made in his image.....! @profbuxton does not believe so, and he is right.
Above is the mistake from the very beginning.
You see man was not made in his Image. Man was made upon his Image
If man was made in his image, then man will look like the creator himself. This is not possible, since there is nothing like the creator.


Man was made to be above all. Above Jinns and above angels. Man was a better creation.
Why we are here living is the test to prove our self worthy.
Why the test? Because we asked for it.
Why we asked for it, cause we wanted to be better than the Angels.
When did we ask? You and I don't remember. Of course we do not. If we did, then where is the test.
Why we do not remember, because it was erased. So how we know what from what ? Creator sends messages via his messengers from the very beginning. Which are the books we read. Every book has it's own era

To me, man is an Intelligent design, like everything else.
Man needs spirituality to be complete.

 

If people just want a comfortable safe place to air their beliefs in the supernatural without justification that's OK but it is neither productive nor interesting.

I will leave you all to indulge in whatever delusions you see fit and I won't offend you further with my simple questions. Only in theism could anyone claim to be offended when asked to provide justification for a claim.

I for one find this to be very productive and interesting.

What is life than just a great delusion? And indulgence in moderation is good for your soul. I am choosing to assume it exists just in case, dont want to be caught with my pants down

edit: not offended one bit. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to offend me

 

When did we ask? You and I don't remember.
Why we do not remember, because it was erased.

I just learned something, I had no idea that Muslims believe in a pre-existence. I'll bet you have interesting conversations with Mormons.

I live in Utah all my Family Members are Mormon but me, I got ex-communicated when I couldn't answer the question that Joseph Smith is a true profit of God.

kv

Edit: All be it they say he predicted the Civil War pretty accurately.

 

There is a very good movie, Wings of Desire. It is about an angel who wants to be human...

 

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison

Nice stat. Seven tenths of one percent of the population in prison. They consists of three point one percent of the population.

Manufactured news ... news without context.

What percentage of the prison population are criminals?