Indicator circuit

CDRIVE

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I now understand its operation from http://www.reuk.co.uk/TL431-Battery-Voltage-Monitor.htm

Thanks everyone
One of the prime requirements of battery operated equipment is to keep power usage down to a minimum. Though I like this circuit for its simplicity, it does not meet that criteria. This because the adjustable Zener (U1) is constantly shunting current that would (otherwise) be routed to the LED. U1 does this until low bat threshold is reached. This isn't a criticism of k7elp60's circuit, it's just the nature of that circuit.
http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26570&d=1295139211

With two logic level FETs you can build a slightly more complicated circuit that would draw < 50uA while the LED is off.
 
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xw0927

Joined Dec 19, 2010
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One of the prime requirements of battery operated equipment is to keep power usage down to a minimum. Though I like this circuit for its simplicity, it does not meet that criteria. This because the adjustable Zener (U1) is constantly shunting current that would (otherwise) be routed to the LED. U1 does this until low bat threshold is reached. This isn't a criticism of k7elp60's circuit, it's just the nature of that circuit.
http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26570&d=1295139211

With two logic level FETs you can build a slightly more complicated circuit that would draw < 50uA while the LED is off.
Why did you put @k7elp60's schematic again, or you meant to put your circuit instead?

Thanks for your advice. :)
 

CDRIVE

Joined Jul 1, 2008
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Why did you put @k7elp60's schematic again, or you meant to put your circuit instead?

Thanks for your advice. :)
No, I wanted to show the circuit I was referencing. What's the AH rating of your bat? If it's beefy then my comments (regarding current draw) won't matter that much.

Do you want me to post a 2 FET alternative?
 

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xw0927

Joined Dec 19, 2010
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No, I wanted to show the circuit I was referencing. What's the AH rating of your bat? If it's beefy then my comments (regarding current draw) won't matter that much.

Do you want me to post a 2 FET alternative?
Sure I want :)
My rating is 1.2Ah. Thanks in advanced
 

k7elp60

Joined Nov 4, 2008
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One of the prime requirements of battery operated equipment is to keep power usage down to a minimum. Though I like this circuit for its simplicity, it does not meet that criteria. This because the adjustable Zener (U1) is constantly shunting current that would (otherwise) be routed to the LED. U1 does this until low bat threshold is reached. This isn't a criticism of k7elp60's circuit, it's just the nature of that circuit.
http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26570&d=1295139211

With two logic level FETs you can build a slightly more complicated circuit that would draw < 50uA while the LED is off.
I agree with you about current consumpton for battery systems. Off course the value of R3 in my circuit determines the major current consumption. I would really appreciate your circuit using two logic level FET's.
Up till now I have been using a more complicated circuit(voltage reference and a comparator) for voltage level of 12V SLA batteries so my latest circuit with the TL431 was a breakthrough.
 

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xw0927

Joined Dec 19, 2010
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I agree with you about current consumpton for battery systems. Off course the value of R3 in my circuit determines the major current consumption. I would really appreciate your circuit using two logic level FET's.
Up till now I have been using a more complicated circuit(voltage reference and a comparator) for voltage level of 12V SLA batteries so my latest circuit with the TL431 was a breakthrough.
Regarding the comparator circuit, I wish to ask that, is it we need 1 more voltage supply(Vcc) for the comparator?
 

CDRIVE

Joined Jul 1, 2008
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Schematic attached.

VR1 can be changed to 1Meg, if you like, but it will make adjusting the threshold a bit trickier, while the 500K yields better vernier adjustment.

R3 can be reduced (practical values) down to 1K, but the lower R3 is, the higher the quiescent battery current will be. I wanted a 1Meg but it was pushing the limits of the FET's Vds value when in it's off state.

NOTE: Lowering R3 to 1K defeats the minimum current draw goals of this circuit. Also note that I didn't do any temperature analysis on this circuit.
 

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SgtWookie

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A "voltage reference" is simply a fixed voltage that doesn't change (within tolerances, of course.)

A Zener diode with a current limiting resistor in series with a source of current is one such example. The voltage across the resistor might change due to changes in current, but the voltage across the Zener diode will be relatively stable.
 
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