Ok.. This is so far "off topic" that I certainly would not object if the moderators chose to remove it.. The last thing this superb site needs is to be lambasted by creationists..
It is completely incomprehensible to me that some people believe the bible (particularly Genesis) has a true account of creation, which was (at least) inspired by the 'creator' of the universe.. I have seen many expositions and many debates / arguments, but never seen the cold, hard absurdity of the first few verses of the bible exposed.
Genesis tells us that:
Gen 1:1.) Earth and "the Heavens" were created FIRST - "The Heavens" is NOT the stars (these are created later) and what "the heavens" is is not defined.. but as the concepts of creation expounded in Genesis comes straight from Babylonian astronomy, t probably refers to the area outside the hard "firmament" which encloses earth.
Gen 1:3.) Light is then created
Gen 1:9.) Seas of earth are then formed.
Gen 1:11.) Vegitation greated and seed bearing vegitation, plants, trees etc populate the earth.
This brings us to the third "Day"..
THEN: On the 3rd "day" (Gen 1:14) the SUN, MOON and STARS are created.
We do not need to go any further.. "Days" UP to the 'creation' of the sun may be of indeterminate length (Creationists have argued that this explains some problems they have been presented with) BUT, After day 3, days are clearly defined.
So, 1).. Earth was created before light or the sun and moon; seas formed, and life started, without earth being in orbit arround anything !
2.) The stars were created on day 4 (physical 24 hour day 1 perhaps..) YET we can see the light from stars more than a billion light years away.. Therefore, by the bibles account, Earth (and HUMANS) MUST HAVE EXISTED FOR AT LEAST A BILLION YEARS!.... Therefore, ALL the geneology etc on which ALL the theology for ALL the major Monotheistic religeons IS WRONG, ABSURD NONSENSE.. (Judaism, Christianity and, to a lesser extent Islam all start with the Genesis story as a basis).
There was no Garden of Eden, No ark, no "original sin" and therefore no requirement for "atonement" or "redemption" -- What was there? Well, we know for sure that there was evolution..
Arguments over
It is completely incomprehensible to me that some people believe the bible (particularly Genesis) has a true account of creation, which was (at least) inspired by the 'creator' of the universe.. I have seen many expositions and many debates / arguments, but never seen the cold, hard absurdity of the first few verses of the bible exposed.
Genesis tells us that:
Gen 1:1.) Earth and "the Heavens" were created FIRST - "The Heavens" is NOT the stars (these are created later) and what "the heavens" is is not defined.. but as the concepts of creation expounded in Genesis comes straight from Babylonian astronomy, t probably refers to the area outside the hard "firmament" which encloses earth.
Gen 1:3.) Light is then created
Gen 1:9.) Seas of earth are then formed.
Gen 1:11.) Vegitation greated and seed bearing vegitation, plants, trees etc populate the earth.
This brings us to the third "Day"..
THEN: On the 3rd "day" (Gen 1:14) the SUN, MOON and STARS are created.
We do not need to go any further.. "Days" UP to the 'creation' of the sun may be of indeterminate length (Creationists have argued that this explains some problems they have been presented with) BUT, After day 3, days are clearly defined.
So, 1).. Earth was created before light or the sun and moon; seas formed, and life started, without earth being in orbit arround anything !
2.) The stars were created on day 4 (physical 24 hour day 1 perhaps..) YET we can see the light from stars more than a billion light years away.. Therefore, by the bibles account, Earth (and HUMANS) MUST HAVE EXISTED FOR AT LEAST A BILLION YEARS!.... Therefore, ALL the geneology etc on which ALL the theology for ALL the major Monotheistic religeons IS WRONG, ABSURD NONSENSE.. (Judaism, Christianity and, to a lesser extent Islam all start with the Genesis story as a basis).
There was no Garden of Eden, No ark, no "original sin" and therefore no requirement for "atonement" or "redemption" -- What was there? Well, we know for sure that there was evolution..
Arguments over