I'm shocked combustible cladding made from plastic plates apparently is used for buildings.

There have been such fires before but was ignored. The whole building is charred. Creepy, and heartbreaking.

 

I'm shocked combustible cladding made from plastic plates apparently is used for buildings.

There have been such fires before but was ignored. The whole building is charred. Creepy, and heartbreaking.

How are you shocked?

Around here the vast majority of homes are clad in s Vinyl siding over manufactured wood sheeting that is held together by glues that are more combustible than the wood they are a part of.

Inside that is wood framing that surrounds a finished interior lined with highly flammable polymer and other synthetic materials based based carpeting and furniture.

 

How are you shocked?

Around here the vast majority of homes are clad in s Vinyl siding over manufactured wood sheeting that is held together by glues that are more combustible than the wood they are a part of.

Inside that is wood framing that surrounds a finished interior lined with highly flammable polymer and other synthetic materials based based carpeting and furniture.

No need to know how to pick a lock. Just come with a good razor knife.

I have a real brick facade so at least the outside is secure.

 

I'm shocked combustible cladding made from plastic plates apparently is used for buildings.

There have been such fires before but was ignored. The whole building is charred. Creepy, and heartbreaking.

Once a fire of that magnitude starts burning just about everything organic is flammable including the screaming alpha. You need to stop the fire at the ignition source before it spreads.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ire-worst-high-rise-blazes-history/395342001/

 

How are you shocked?

Around here the vast majority of homes are clad in s Vinyl siding over manufactured wood sheeting that is held together by glues that are more combustible than the wood they are a part of.

Inside that is wood framing that surrounds a finished interior lined with highly flammable polymer and other synthetic materials based based carpeting and furniture.

But at least people in 'normal' houses don't have to try to get 24 storeys down a staircase before they can get out.

 

No need to know how to pick a lock. Just come with a good razor knife.

I have a real brick facade so at least the outside is secure.

Pretty much explains why I don't lock my doors. No point when going through a wall would be easier than getting past the locked door.

 

I saw that fire on the evening news, it was a horrible nightmare for those in the building. I guess many jumped to their death just trying to escape the building. This was just one of those things that didn't have to happen but did. My heart goes out to the families and friends of those who perished.

Ron

 

I saw a clip where someone was saying that they just spent 30 million on beatifying the place.......but thought 500K was to much to spend on upgrading the sprinkler system.

And I didn't realize poor people lived there. I didn't see that expressed in the reports. Does that mean it is government owned? Like a housing project here? I'm very ignorant of British domestic society.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...search-for-more-building-inferno-victims.html

 

Does that mean it is government owned?

Local council owned but run a couple of other organisations (I don't understand the arrangement). I daresay the council will blame the gubmint for not giving them enough money. There are apparently plenty of other blocks with the same cladding and no sprinklers

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/

Well face reality- worst possible scenario, a terrorist attack or military invasion.

As seen firefighters were not able to deal with a 27 floors building fire.
Among other things it had no sprinklers.
It is now completely charred. Guess what most of the upper floor residents didnt make it.

Might be several 100 people and its downplayed to avoid panic.

All these buildings would be an easy target and go up in flames in a similar way.

Theres others like 30 floors and more than 1000 people inside.

And such cladding was fitted a lot tough I dont know if they resorted to the cheaper combustible variant.

The fireproof panels are GBP 32 a sqm, the combustible kind is GBP 2 cheaper. This is sick and sad, to save less than 10%,
they take such a risk and now 100s of people are dead, potentially.

Ive found combustible cladding is banned in the US for buildings more than 40 feet.

Its not proper a 27 floor building can go up in flames in a matter of 15 minutes it was all alit.
Plastic window frames as well. No ventilation, no external fire escape, no sprinklers, no fireproof doors, not even proper fire alarms installed.

Its unlikely the UK will be attacked or invaded by military but think worst case scenario- what if? All these towers would go up in flames quickly, and fire brigades not able to deal with even one of them.

These claddings have to go, guess.

 

It's insane - if you do read up on it, building/safety rules in UK is just subpar compared to other countries. US/Canada are significantly better in every way. It's like they just don't care!

 

Is there government owned housing used by low income people?

I'm aware of Section 8 housing subsidies to owners who rent apartments to low income people.

 

I don't know.... yet.

 

Doesn't the fed subsidize the big housing projects in the cities? Not just rents......but the constructions?

 

Doesn't the fed subsidize the big housing projects in the cities? Not just rents......but the constructions?

Excellent question. It may have via tax breaks or other incentives. I'll have to read more about that.

 

from https://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/topics/rental_assistance/phprog
WHAT IS PUBLIC HOUSING?
Public housing was established to provide decent and safe rental housing for eligible low-income families, the elderly, and persons with disabilities. Public housing comes in all sizes and types, from scattered single family houses to highrise apartments for elderly families. There are approximately 1.2 million households living in public housing units, managed by some 3,300 HAs. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) administers Federal aid to local housing agencies (HAs) that manage the housing for low-income residents at rents they can afford. HUD furnishes technical and professional assistance in planning, developing and managing these developments.

Yes, they pay Housing Authorities to manage it.

 

It's insane - if you do read up on it, building/safety rules in UK is just subpar compared to other countries. US/Canada are significantly better in every way. It's like they just don't care!

It's what you end up with when the average person in the community, regardless of its size, allows for blatant corruption and dishonesty to get into their higher levels of social system authority and then continues to look the other way even once they know it's there.

No matter where you go there will always be some cheap greedy willing to be dishonest building contractor/construction company who will cater to whatever a low level standards some slum lord owner wants if they can get it by the local authorities by whatever means necessary, and there will always be some person or group in that authoritative position who will happily take a bribe or whatever from those types of greedy low life people to allow it to happen.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVZkJs6ABPZ
The Queen and The Duke of Cambridge met members of the emergency services
at the Westway Sports Centre in London following the fire at Grenfell Tower.

 

Here is a proper solution.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...mes-owned-rich-should-requisitioned-grenfell/

Jeremy Corbyn has called for the empty homes of rich people in Kensington to be seized for Grenfell Tower residents who have been made homeless by the fire.

The Labour leader said that the London Borough was a "tale of two cities" between a wealthy south and a rich north.

He suggested that "requisitioning" expensive vacant properties could help ensure that residents are housed locally.

 

Just like the movie scene in Dr. Zhivago............