Starting with all and any societal demands, female castration, imposition of certain cultural demands such as dress, education, or lack thereof, arranged marriage, lack of access to abortion options.
Glass Ceiling.
....Ah maybe in a perfect world.
Max.

Trying beats dying.

 

I get what you mean however do not dismiss the underdogs.

I don't have a n issue with the underdogs. I have na issue with blatant bias that works against the greater good and betterment of the end goal of a system.

Especially if said biases discriminate against the most qualified to cater to the less qualified in any way regardless of whether it's a racial/gender preference over at all skill land qualifications or if it's simply an in-house issue with some under qualified pinhead manager higher g idiots who have less skills and qualification than him just so that he can protect his undeserved job and position the second being an issue I have seen personally way too many times in my life both directly by my own multiple experiences and indirectly through the many good people I know who fought the same losing battle against qualification bias (too qualified to work here) to pass off as anecdotal or circumstantial isolated cases any more.

 

Yeah,

 

Yeah since we were talking about underdogs,

 

I don't know whether you will be able to listen to this. I found it appalling. A teenage girl, in school uniform, being repeatedly hit on by middle-aged men.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b073bb59

No idea how this is related to the OP but ...
It's a jungle out there, teach your kids how to survive in the culture of loudmouth buffoons. Let them be beautiful and strong women.

Back to Google:
We do need to stop directed negative sexist behavior and responses on the females that WANT to do engineering.

 

 

sadly the worst enemies of women are... women. For men, it is... men... Comply or die... assimilate or be wiped out

I made it to the states for training. Spending two weeks in upstate NY. Quite eye opening. Some of you may remember that I am a woman... I am trained as a biomed and work as one. So far I have been to about 5 training courses which usually have about 6 students. I have only encountered one other woman (she was a lesbian and anounced it to everyone at lunch). Where does this put the situation? Biomed is a somewhat technical field, but not very hard to get into. Requires some knowledge about it. It is promoted to the vets in US but not in Canada...

As a woman, I had no issues with his letter. During USSR, men and women were absolutely equal (look up women's roles during WWII) and it is a fact that there were still less women in technical fields.

Question, wht is noone complaining that there is inequiality in representation of men in humanities?

There are inherent differences between sexes. They are exaggerated by society. Forcing people to conform does not work. End of story

p.s. firing a guy who wrote a letter about how he feels unaccepted so that others will feel better without discussion in the name of diversity is rediculous.

 

sadly the worst enemies of women are... women. For men, it is... men... Comply or die... assimilate or be wiped out

I made it to the states for training. Spending two weeks in upstate NY. Quite eye opening. Some of you may remember that I am a woman... I am trained as a biomed and work as one. So far I have been to about 5 training courses which usually have about 6 students. I have only encountered one other woman (she was a lesbian and anounced it to everyone at lunch). Where does this put the situation? Biomed is a somewhat technical field, but not very hard to get into. Requires some knowledge about it. It is promoted to the vets in US but not in Canada...

As a woman, I had no issues with his letter. During USSR, men and women were absolutely equal (look up women's roles during WWII) and it is a fact that there were still less women in technical fields.

Question, wht is noone complaining that there is inequiality in representation of men in humanities?

There are inherent differences between sexes. They are exaggerated by society. Forcing people to conform does not work. End of story

p.s. firing a guy who wrote a letter about how he feels unaccepted so that others will feel better without discussion in the name of diversity is rediculous.

For me at least, the issue lying at the bottom of this affair is the PC current trying to force women into fields so as to meet a numerical quota of equality. And I find that absolutely stupid. Women are equals, yes. And men and women have statistically different personal and professional interests, that is a fact. If any woman wants to venture in any field of her interest that is normally dominated by men, I say the more the merrier! What's more, she should be encouraged and given every opportunity that any other man is given. But to try to impose equal numbers of each gender in all fields is idiotic. Hiring opportunities should be based on capability, competence and performance... and definitely not on sex, race or any other factor.

 

The ultimate solution for the so called diversity problem is for the schools (K through 12) to start teaching math and science like the other industrialized nations.

In fact, the quality of the education in most schools in the U.S. would be classified as Third World and it's a wonder the whole country hasn't collapsed like the Roman Empire.

In fact, many people are warning that the U.S. is already headed for some kind of socio-economic catastrophe because of the poor quality of the schools. Reminds me of that cartoon with a guy on the street corner holding sign with the message "The End Is Near".

 

For me at least, the issue lying at the bottom of this affair is the PC current trying to force women into fields so as to meet a numerical quota of equality. And I find that absolutely stupid. Women are equals, yes. And men and women have statistically different personal and professional interests, that is a fact. If any woman wants to venture in any field of her interest that is normally dominated by men, I say the more the merrier! What's more, she should be encouraged and given every opportunity that any other man is given. But to try to impose equal numbers of each gender in all fields is idiotic. Hiring opportunities should be based on capability, competence and performance... and definitely not on sex, race or any other factor.

That is exactly how I read his "memo". Now there are all of these offended women in tech coming with opinion pieces being offended. The fact of the matter is that, yes there are many issues with discrimination still, especially in certain countries. In western world, if you are faced with specific gender discrimination issues, deal with them, there are systems in place. If not in the workplace, then there are state and federal labor codes, a lawyer will be only too happy to take that one. I am sorry. I am saying this as a woman working in a male dominated department that exists in a female dominated environment (biomed dept is in a hospital and hospital is 90% female).

I come from a completely different culture so it is very difficult for me to understand this latest conflict...
For example, at our latest union meeting, a discussion was held about how to make more women to be at the board of directors. The thing is, women do not really want to hold those position as they are. One would need to restructure every organization and start from a 50/50 mix to try and figure out how it could function...

p.s. at my work one can have consecutive maternity leaves within less than a year of each other. What does that do to your performance?

 

There are plenty of examples of females be subjected to horrible treatment and even male geeks being tormented by bullies. I currently see little or no evidence of the above horrors at Google where this Google engineer once worked. I would say the vast majority of people here started with an interest in the electrical or mechanical at a very young age. How many people of any sex were sticking utensils into electrical sockets at 5 years old?

LOL, that's me! Except I was using my mother's tweezers so that I could see what happened when BOTH conductors were connected. I recall a bright flash and a lot of shouting. The tweezers literally disappeared.

 

That is exactly how I read his "memo". Now there are all of these offended women in tech coming with opinion pieces being offended. The fact of the matter is that, yes there are many issues with discrimination still, especially in certain countries. In western world, if you are faced with specific gender discrimination issues, deal with them, there are systems in place. If not in the workplace, then there are state and federal labor codes, a lawyer will be only too happy to take that one. I am sorry. I am saying this as a woman working in a male dominated department that exists in a female dominated environment (biomed dept is in a hospital and hospital is 90% female).

I come from a completely different culture so it is very difficult for me to understand this latest conflict...
For example, at our latest union meeting, a discussion was held about how to make more women to be at the board of directors. The thing is, women do not really want to hold those position as they are. One would need to restructure every organization and start from a 50/50 mix to try and figure out how it could function...

p.s. at my work one can have consecutive maternity leaves within less than a year of each other. What does that do to your performance?

Excessive absenteeism due to maternity leave and child care are two of the major reasons that people get discharged from their jobs.

A co-worker at my former employer took off 3 months for maternity leave due to complications with a child birth.
Having children and holding down a job is a severe burden and I can understand why employers prefer NOT to hire men or women with large families.

 

LOL, that's me! Except I was using my mother's tweezers so that I could see what happened when BOTH conductors were connected. I recall a bright flash and a lot of shouting. The tweezers literally disappeared.

I got a severe scolding from my mother for standing under a tree when it was lightning.

I grew up in the Nevada desert where there aren't many thunderstorms and I thought watching lightning was like watching a fireworks display. It was raining so I got under a tree, but my mother wasn't home to see what I was up to.

However, when we were at the dinner table that night, I told her how I watched the lightning and stayed dry by getting under a tree. She went ballistic and vehemently scolded me about the risk of getting electrocuted if lightning struck.

 

If any woman wants to venture in any field of her interest that is normally dominated by men, I say the more the merrier!

Frankly I think that is the way things are at this point in time. Maybe I'm just blind or ignorant of ongoing discrimination, but I have an engineer daughter, now transitioning into physical therapy, and I don't think she was ever discouraged from pursuing engineering at any time. Quite the opposite, I remember taking her to special "women in engineering" support activities.

Never in 30 years of corporate life did I see discriminatory behavior against women. I worked with female researchers, chemical engineers, plant managers, and on and on. They were respected in their work and treated like anyone else. Sometimes it seemed like they had a few more doors open to them because they were female and companies were bending over backwards to make sure they were politically correct by promoting women whenever they had the chance. But they were respected for the jobs they were doing. If they weren't cutting it, they were sacked liked anyone else. And I know a lot of women that would be first to admit that they simply have no interest in STEM topics.

 

IMHO, we have another whiner who has discovered the fame and fortune attached to playing the victim. He'll have his 15 minutes of fame and then fade into the obscurity he so richly deserves.

 

Excessive absenteeism due to maternity leave and child care are two of the major reasons that people get discharged from their jobs.

A co-worker at my former employer took off 3 months for maternity leave due to complications with a child birth.
Having children and holding down a job is a severe burden and I can understand why employers prefer NOT to hire men or women with large families.

Ah, yes. Only in this case it is a union position and in the contract. I was arguing that this clause is unacceptable as it hurts the workplace and other employees who are forced to accept temporary in-lue of leave positions... Anyway, this is where people get defensive. I thought it was interesting that people would be critical of unemployed on welfare, but would defend someone abusing this particular contract clause... This is an impossible conversation to have whether you are a man or a woman

 

IMHO, we have another whiner who has discovered the fame and fortune attached to playing the victim. He'll have his 15 minutes of fame and then fade into the obscurity he so richly deserves.

or, he will sue google for wrongful dismissal and win lol

 

or, he will sue google for wrongful dismissal and win lol

Like Google cares. Have you looked at the stock price? ($930.00/share) Can you compute the market capitalization? (650 Gigabucks) Does a monopoly ever really lose?

 

Like Google cares.

Exactly!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-error-in-coverage-of-the-google-memo/536181/

 

Like Google cares. Have you looked at the stock price? ($930.00/share) Can you compute the market capitalization? (650 Gigabucks) Does a monopoly ever really lose?

Will have to see what happens... I do agree with 15 min of fame. I havent been able to find out how his memo got into public space. Did he do it?

But, how many people are getting shut down or are not even expressing their views anymore?

Equality has been achieved a long time ago. What I am astonished by is poverty and low level of education that exist in N. America today. US that views itself as world leader and Canada that views itself as the great humanitarian...

p.s. let me Google to see if Google cares...