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#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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would you mind elaborating on your use of the i-word that I highlighted in bold in the previous quote?
I did not write that word. I copied a post from the article you linked to. It's in the Comments section.

(You should read the pages you link to.)
 
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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I did not write that word. I copied a post from the article you linked to. It's in the Comments section.

(You should read the pages you link to.)
:confused: Well... I do read them... but I don't go as far as reading all the comments.... I've got a life to live, you know...
but you're right... I should've read your post more closely when your first sentence stated that it referred to the first comment in the article....
but why do you think this person used the i-word in his comment? (yes, I am that naïve)
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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:confused: Well... I do read them... but I don't go as far as reading all the comments.... I've got a life to live, you know...
but you're right... I should've read your post more closely when your first sentence stated that it referred to the first comment in the article....
but why do you think this person used the i-word in his comment? (yes, I am that naïve)
I was wondering where that came from, to, since I didn't recall seeing that comment "in" the article. Now I realize that it was the first comment "on" the article. I, too, seldom read the comments on articles as they almost always are coming from people with a particular axe to grind.
 

#12

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I guess the person who made that comment feels that the Defense Contractors of America are in (financial) bed with America's alleged Allies. His main point seems relevant. The theory that, "newer, more complicated, and more expensive is exactly equal to better" only works for the manufacturers.
 
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cmartinez

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... "newer, more complicated, and more expensive is exactly equal to better" only works for the manufacturers.
I get it now... and that would be especially true when selling/buying classified material... which by definition the details of said material cannot be exposed to public scrutiny... in the end, money is the ruler of it all.
 

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cmartinez

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You are getting dangerously close to how power and politics work in the real world. :eek:
Gosh... and it's only taken me 50 years to figure it out!... :)
Maybe when I get to be 75 I'll finally learn the meaning behind the birds and bees story that my daddy told me when I was a kid... :D
 

MikeML

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Nosing over a tail dragger using excessive braking is a common occurrence. Everytime I land the Pacer pictured in my Avatar I must carefully modulate the brakes. If braking too aggressively, the tail will lift...
 

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cmartinez

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Nosing over a tail dragger using excessive braking is a common occurrence. Everytime I land the Pacer pictured in my Avatar I must carefully modulate the brakes. If braking too aggressively, the tail will lift...
The article mentions that the plane struck a teenager. Maybe that's why the pilot might've applied the brakes too hard...
 
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GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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Not much braking required on soft sand. The plane may have had an ass-over-teakettle stop without brakes if tires were narrow

CNN reported that The teenager had a minor injury. I don't know how you get hit by a plane doing an emergency landing and get a minor injury unless he dropped a major donation on the church plate recently.
 
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cmartinez

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... I don't know how you get hit by a plane doing an emergency landing and get a minor injury unless he dropped a major donation on the church plate recently.
As my brother likes to say... when it's time for you to leave this life, it won't matter if you move away from danger... and when it's not, it won't matter if you place yourself in front of it...
 

MikeML

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The pilot made a dead-stick landing on the wet sand just above the surf line. During the roll-out, he purposely veered into the surf and braked hard enough to nose over, likely in an attempt to prevent hitting the kid...

I have landed on wet sand and wet salt, but with no beachgoers anywhere close. Biggest problem is cleaning up the underside of the wings afterward. Even worse is a pasture used by cows. Cleaning cow shit off the wings is not fun...
 

Brownout

Joined Jan 10, 2012
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Nosing over a tail dragger using excessive braking is a common occurrence. Everytime I land the Pacer pictured in my Avatar I must carefully modulate the brakes. If braking too aggressively, the tail will lift...
An old college of mine would froth at the mouth when talking about flying a tail dragger. What's the attraction?
 

MikeML

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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An old college of mine would froth at the mouth when talking about flying a tail dragger. What's the attraction?
Flying a tail dragger is no different than flying any other tractor airplane. Ground operations are way different. Next time you go to the shopping center, push your shopping cart backwards; that will give you a feeling of what it takes to keep a taildragger moving straight ahead.

Taildraggers are much preferred for back-country and off-field operations. They have short take-off/landing runs, the gear is much more robust, and the prop tips are further from the ground.

Operating a tail dragger on the ground is a lot like snow skiing, slalom water skiing, riding a bicycle, or copying morse code in your head. You must learn to go from a visual, audible, or kinesthetic input directly to muscle movement without conscious thought. I learned how to do all of these at one point. Each takes a few tens of hours to learn....
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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Operating a tail dragger on the ground is a lot like snow skiing, slalom water skiing, riding a bicycle, or copying Morse code in your head. You must learn to go from a visual, audible, or kinesthetic input directly to muscle movement without conscious thought. I learned how to do all of these at one point. Each takes a few tens of hours to learn....
Very Zen. Become one with the airplane, grasshopper. :p
 
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