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nsaspook

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml

The Air Force’s Accident Investigation Board concluded that “crew decision-making including those on the in-flight conference call,” lack of “oversight for the hazardous material program,” which oversees storage and distribution of the hydraulic fluid, and not properly following aircraft hydraulics servicing procedures, all contributed to the crash.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Honor and perceived failure made him chose death rather than be captured by the Americans, so he fired his pistol into his right temple, only to find that the gun was empty. He reloaded and tried again. This time, the gun fired, but it only grazed his skull and knocked him unconscious. He drifted for three days and finally hid out on a nearby island for three months. He was eventually picked up by Americans and taken to a P.O.W. hospital in Australia.
 

WBahn

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There are SO many stories of former enemies becoming lifelong friends. What I found interesting/revealing, is that it's the people in actual combat -- the people doing the killing and seeing their comrades killed -- that seem more likely to form those bonds after the hostility ends. The people that never saw combat are much more likely to hold onto those hard feelings forever. It's as if there is an unconscious awareness in which people that have put their lives on the line understand that people from either side of the conflict that did so, willingly or not, deserve honor, grace, and forgiveness.
 

nsaspook

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Crash

At Least 15 Dead After Lisbon Funicular Derails and Crashes, Officials Say
The funicular line, one of three in Lisbon, is a popular tourist attraction.


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cmartinez

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This has happened to me before. I have a car with one of those handbrakes operated by a lever. And a couple of times in the past I've failed to disengage it all the way down, and drove the car for a while before noticing that driving felt a little sluggish.


The inspector also observed that the parking brake handle was partially extended. The pilot stated that he must not have pushed the parking brake handle all the way in, and that he never visually verified its position before take-off.
 

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cmartinez

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WBahn

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"They found that the killing of (innocent and unsuspecting) civilians was justified under the rules of engagement"

I took the liberty of adding the parenthesis quoted above for the purpose of clarification.
Yep. In an ideal world, or a dime-store novel or Hollywood movie, it would never, ever be justified and the heroes would always be able to perform amazingly daring feats to avoid it and still complete their mission successfully. But, unfortunately, in the real world, war and war-adjacent activities, such as many espionage missions, always face that risk and have that possibility spelled out in their RoE, detailing as best as possible the considerations that would and would not justify such actions. In reviewing events afterward, things beyond what happened are taken into account, particularly getting at why they happened and what information the people making the decisions had available, the time frame in which they had to make a decision, and the potential consequences of both the decisions they made and other decisions they could have reasonably made under the conditions that prevailed.

A critical part of the planning process is detailing out what the boundaries are for the RoE and then deciding, in light of those boundaries, whether the mission itself warrants the risks involved.
 

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cmartinez

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On the 12th of November 1975, a DC-10 loaded with airline employees bound for Saudi Arabia struck a flock of seagulls while taking off from John F. Kennedy International Airport, causing the №3 engine to violently explode. The pilots attempted to reject the takeoff, only to discover that their hydraulics were failing, their wheels were damaged, and there was no way to stop the fully loaded wide body jet before the end of the runway. In a last ditch effort to avoid colliding with a blast fence, the pilots attempted a high-speed exit onto a taxiway, but in the process the landing gear collapsed, the fuel tanks ruptured, and the plane skidded to a halt, surrounded by flames.

128 passengers (Most airline Flight Attendants) and 11 crew. All survived.
 

nsaspook

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"They found that the killing of (innocent and unsuspecting) civilians was justified under the rules of engagement"

I took the liberty of adding the parenthesis quoted above for the purpose of clarification.
It sucks but people (innocent and unsuspecting) die in war (or combat missions other than war). That story is missing lots of details.
It's nothing new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Expeditionary_Medal
The General Orders of the Department of the Navy which established the medal states, "The medal will be awarded to the officers and enlisted men of the Navy who were confirmed to have landed on foreign territory and engaged in operations against armed opposition, or operated under circumstances which, after full consideration, shall be deemed to merit special recognition and for which no service or campaign medal has been awarded. The Navy Expeditionary Medal is retroactively authorized to February 12, 1874."
I've got one, like most guys in the fleet, with a service star.
 
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