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nsaspook

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https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/updates-grounding-boeing-737-max-9-aircraft

Updates on Grounding of Boeing 737 MAX 9 Aircraft
Thursday, January 11, 2024
This information is preliminary and subject to change.
This incident should have never happened and it cannot happen again. FAA formally notified Boeing that it is conducting an investigation to determine if Boeing failed to ensure completed products conformed to its approved design and were in a condition for safe operation in compliance with FAA regulations. This investigation is a result of an incident on a Boeing Model 737-9 MAX where it lost a “plug” type passenger door and additional discrepancies. Boeing’s manufacturing practices need to comply with the high safety standards they’re legally accountable to meet. The letter is attached.
 

nsaspook

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Looks like the dance has started. A few weeks for good target intelligence and logistical connections. Good hunting. We need to put some hurt (EM countermeasures) on that Iranian spy ship
 
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nsaspook

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What do they want? ... to claim ownership of the Red Sea so they can charge a toll on every ship that takes that route?
Ask Iran what the master plan is. The Houthi militants are useful idiots in some strange Iranian plan for that part of the world.
We started fighting Iran in the shadows in 1979 and the US with its 'friends' have had episodes of extreme violence periodically when they step over the line like this. The Iranians were once our friends, hell, I attended to communications school in San Diego with Iranian sailors in the middle 70's. We sort of deserve their anger with the US but as is usual with zealots, they go too far.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150924105124/http://www.spyflight.co.uk/darkgene.htm
https://maphub.net/Cengiz/project-ibex-dark-gene
Project IBEX / Dark Gene

We wanted that cold war intel so badly we ignored the horrors that The Shah was committing to the general population until it exploded with Iran holding of US hostages that started the first War On Terror that continues to this day.
I submitted some small, minor, details to the researcher of this book.

 
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Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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I'm guessing you're joking.
Hence the smiley.
The door needs to move physically up to unlock from the guides and be free of the holding flanges (the A320 does exactly the same thing, check the video) to hinge down or hinge to the side.
I was aware of that, but a removable gubbins to fill the gap would be an additional safety feature to prevent inadvertent vertical movement of the plug in flight. It's a plug; not an emergency exit.
 
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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Ask Iran what the master plan is. The Houthi militants are useful idiots in some strange Iranian plan for that part of the world.
We started fighting Iran in the shadows in 1979 and the US with its 'friends' have had episodes of extreme violence periodically when they step over the line like this. The Iranians were once our friends, hell, I attended to communications school in San Diego with Iranian sailors in the middle 70's. We sort of deserve their anger with the US but as is usual with zealots, they go too far.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150924105124/http://www.spyflight.co.uk/darkgene.htm
https://maphub.net/Cengiz/project-ibex-dark-gene
Project IBEX / Dark Gene

We wanted that cold war intel so badly we ignored the horrors that The Shah was committing to the general population until it exploded with Iran holding of US hostages that started the first War On Terror that continues to this day.
I submitted some small, minor, details to the researcher of this book.


:oops: How can anyone eject at close to Mach 2 and still survive?

Shokouhnia and Col Saunders both ejected and were captured by Soviet ground forces. They used their cover story as briefed and, as the RF-4C had impacted the ground at something like Mach 2, there was little if any evidence the Soviets could use to prove otherwise.
 

nsaspook

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Hence the smiley.

I was aware of that, but a removable gubbins to fill the gap would be an additional safety feature to prevent inadvertent vertical movement of the plug in flight. It's a plug; not an emergency exit.
Like I said before, root cause correction, not nibbles on things that are third order fixes on things that only happen after the root cause.
KISS
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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:oops: How can anyone eject at close to Mach 2 and still survive?
I doubt the aircraft was going that fast when they ejected.

As for surviving high-speed ejections in general, that all depends on the circumstances. Also, the Mach number isn't a good indicator of the stress of an ejection, since the speed of sound is dependent on the temperature and the air density is dependent on altitude (among other things), so an ejection at high altitude in cold, thin air is going to be a lot less (a LOT less) stressful than an ejection at the same mach number at sea level.

Some ejection seats/systems are designed to provide blast protection during the ejection. Bill Weaver survived a Mach 3 ejection -- well, he didn't eject, the aircraft broke up and ejected him -- in an SR-71. But the F-4 (and other U.S. fighter aircraft) don't have seats that are rated for supersonic ejections. The highest speed ejection I'm aware of in a U.S. fighter was at about 800 mph in an F-15E.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I doubt the aircraft was going that fast when they ejected.

As for surviving high-speed ejections in general, that all depends on the circumstances. Also, the Mach number isn't a good indicator of the stress of an ejection, since the speed of sound is dependent on the temperature and the air density is dependent on altitude (among other things), so an ejection at high altitude in cold, thin air is going to be a lot less (a LOT less) stressful than an ejection at the same mach number at sea level.

Some ejection seats/systems are designed to provide blast protection during the ejection. Bill Weaver survived a Mach 3 ejection -- well, he didn't eject, the aircraft broke up and ejected him -- in an SR-71. But the F-4 (and other U.S. fighter aircraft) don't have seats that are rated for supersonic ejections. The highest speed ejection I'm aware of in a U.S. fighter was at about 800 mph in an F-15E.
And then, of course, there's the famous case of Tom Cruise ejecting (or more like, getting ejected) from his Darkstar plane at more than Mach 10 and then next thing you know he's asking for directions at a diner in a small town in the middle of nowhere ...
 
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