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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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So...a surgeon who amputates the wrong leg should not be held liable because he was acting as a doctor?

Some common sense should be required with respect to qualified immunity.
To me there needs to be some sort of emergency exigent circumstance to blow through stop signs in a residential setting with no lights or siren. Like hot pursuit of a person that's committed a serious felony when trying to stop other serious possible felonies in the immediate future.
The silent tail of a likely low level drug dealer seems like a hell of stretch for full immunity in what would normally be charged as a homicide.

What would have happened if he doesn't catch up? More likely the other people on the detail would just keep safely following the suspect.
Marion County prosecutors said Landis was not in danger or responding to an emergency at the time of the crash. There were no plans to arrest an individual being surveilled that day or to immediately stop a drug deal, prosecutors said. Other agents were ahead of him.
This surveillance is not an "emergency".
 
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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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A lot of the "drones" in the videos being shown on the news are clearly just airplanes, complete with normal red/green wingtip lights, anti-collision beacons, and strobes.

The actual drones that are being videoed sure aren't trying to be sneaky -- they are all lit up.

My bet is that it will turn out that there are far fewer of them than is being portrayed, and that there is nothing nefarious going on. Probably something careless and illegal, though.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/trav...ello-boarding-mishap-intl-scli-gbr/index.html

Top musician forced to cancel concert after Air Canada refused to give his priceless cello a seat on plane

“It seems that we can arrange and provide all the necessary tickets, required specialist cello bookings, visas, proof of engagements and yet all too regularly there is an inconsistency of experience and training with booking systems and ground staff at airports,” it continued.

“We would welcome some constructive discussion with the airline industry body. Whilst Air Canada has now at least refunded all the tickets, we have yet to receive any form of apology for their error which led to over a thousand people having their concert tickets cancelled that evening,” it added
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/trav...ello-boarding-mishap-intl-scli-gbr/index.html

Top musician forced to cancel concert after Air Canada refused to give his priceless cello a seat on plane

“It seems that we can arrange and provide all the necessary tickets, required specialist cello bookings, visas, proof of engagements and yet all too regularly there is an inconsistency of experience and training with booking systems and ground staff at airports,” it continued.

“We would welcome some constructive discussion with the airline industry body. Whilst Air Canada has now at least refunded all the tickets, we have yet to receive any form of apology for their error which led to over a thousand people having their concert tickets cancelled that evening,” it added
I can definitely relate. The local youth symphony goes on an international tour every two years (this past summer they delivered an unbelievable performance in the Sydney Opera House!) and, having done this for nearly three decades, they still fight this battle every tour. While none of their instruments are anything like the ones in this incident, they have many instruments that, individually, are tens of thousands of dollars and, collectively -- well, there's around a hundred musicians nearly all of whom are playing at least college-grade instrument, so the total is well north of one million dollars. They pre-arrange with the airline in advance to put the smaller instruments, like the violins, in carry-on even though most of the cases are technically too long. And, every time, it comes down to the gate monkeys whether they actually get to put them in carry-on, as pre-arranged. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

It would seem that there are plenty of fair and equitable solutions that could be worked out. In the case of something like this cello, they paid half-fare for the cello seat. So have a policy where they are charged full-price up front, but they get a refund of half if the flight doesn't have to kick anyone off. You could also add an optional surcharge to a ticket for passengers to buy protection against involuntary kick-off. Say 10% (have no idea what the proper amount should be). Then, if the flight ends up overbooked (and there's lots of legitimate ways that can happen even if the airline doesn't intentionally oversell the flight, such as cancelled or rerouted flights due to weather), people that bought the protection can't get put on standby involuntarily until every person that didn't buy the protection is kicked off, which will likely never happen. They could also make this at least a partially refundable surcharge in the case that the flight isn't overbooked. Another thing they could offer, and which is something that they already do on a regular basis but not guaranteed, is sell guaranteed seating, perhaps at a 100% surcharge that is all or mostly refundable if not invoked, in which if they get bumped from a flight for any reason, the airline will get them on the first available flight to their destination even if it means putting them on another airline's flights. Sure, there are circumstances where it ain't happening, such as weather, and that's just a risk that has to be accepted. But if these folks really, really needed to be there by a certain time, then it is almost certainly worth their while to pay a surcharge (or have it be a form of insurance) that requires the airline to get them there as long as there is any viable means of doing so (within stated limits, such as no expectation of them chartering a flight for them -- unless they buy a higher form of insurance that would even cover that). It should be possible to work out a standard agreement between airlines that would participate in such arrangements that passengers with these protections that are kicked off of a flight are considered guaranteed seat passengers on their flight, even if it means having to kick off an unprotected passenger.

Probably the best way to do this would be for a third party to offer this kind of insurance and work out agreements with participating airlines, who agree to certain procedures to put passengers with claims in a high-priority case. One way to do that might be to pay the airline that can provide the service a premium of, say, 50%. The airline that they were originally booked on has right-of-first-service to get them on their way within a maximum window of, say, two hours. If they can't, then they have to pay the insurance carrier the refunded full-fare ticket price that the carrier uses, along with its own funds, to pay for the premium seat on another airline. Set the premium at a level that incentivizes airlines to want to provide this service as often as possible. Then the insurance company can set the premium charged to the passenger at a level that is high enough to cover the costs (and their profit) but low enough so that enough people buy the insurance (which, again, would almost never get invoked since airlines would have the incentive to keep them in their original seat or get them onto their own next available flight if at all possible) to cover the costs. If a flight has an average of 100 passengers (it's probably higher), then just a $20 premium with 10% participation would provide $1000 to deal with a claim five flights. Since the overwhelming majority of flights have no issues, the funds would be available to deal with the slew of claims that would occasionally come in from a cancelled or excessively delayed flight.
 
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