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WBahn

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A couple of nice things about that story. The pilot continued following the usual pre-landing check protocol, including communicating with the backseater, even though said backseater was gone, and for the very sound reason of not wanting to do anything different, as much as possible, so as to avoid making it too easy to miss something and not realize it. This is why a carrier pilot lands on a three-mile long runway the same why they do on a carrier (as much as possible).

The other nice point that I was glad to see the story made was how the pilot freely admitted that he hadn't considered the briefing from the standpoint of how the other person would interpret it and that, going forward, that would become a specific focus of any briefing to anyone new to the situation. Before I went up, the pilot went to lengths to make sure I knew what I could, and more importantly, could not touch.
 

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cmartinez

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A couple of nice things about that story. The pilot continued following the usual pre-landing check protocol, including communicating with the backseater, even though said backseater was gone, and for the very sound reason of not wanting to do anything different, as much as possible, so as to avoid making it too easy to miss something and not realize it. This is why a carrier pilot lands on a three-mile long runway the same why they do on a carrier (as much as possible).

The other nice point that I was glad to see the story made was how the pilot freely admitted that he hadn't considered the briefing from the standpoint of how the other person would interpret it and that, going forward, that would become a specific focus of any briefing to anyone new to the situation. Before I went up, the pilot went to lengths to make sure I knew what I could, and more importantly, could not touch.
Yeah, everyone should be grateful that there were no serious injuries, or worse ... it's not the first time it's happened, though:



The man had been surprised by employees at his firm, who had organized a joyride in a Dassault Rafale B jet for him as a treat.

But they apparently didn’t know their colleague as well as they thought. Once the man arrived at the Saint-Dizier air base in northeastern France in March 2019 and realized what his co-workers had arranged, he began to feel extremely stressed, according to a fairly remarkable aviation accident report by a French government agency.
 

WBahn

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Oh, it's happened a few times -- bound to happen given how many and how long aircraft with egress systems have been around. Since they are also a system that you want to have an extremely high confidence will work, work well, and work easily under the most stressful of flight situations (the fact that a crewmember wants to take the career- and possibly life-ending path of ejecting from an aircraft almost certainly means they are making that decision in a moment's timeframe when all hell is breaking loose around them), you have to err on the that side and accept the increased potential for unintentional deployments.
 

WBahn

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I wonder if this is covered by workman's comp....
Almost certainly not -- and, had he died, his family would likely have discovered the usual exclusion in his life insurance policy regarding participating in any kind of aviation activity except flying on a regularly-scheduled airline flight.

He probably had to sign a bunch of liability waivers before he went up and may have even signed something that said that he was responsible for any damage or injuries to anyone if they were his fault, and indemnifying the operator against any claims against them that resulted. Now, whether those waivers and indemnifications could be enforced would depend on how lopsided and unreasonable they were.
 

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