The event is what is real. I stated that the reference made no reference to any ghost or "real" ghost. The event that triggers a ghostly sighting and that is real. In scenario 2 as quoted from the article, the event is not real within the environment. One could argue that the chemical processes within the brain that causes hallucinations are real. Please don't. That is not my point. What is perceived in the hallucination is not real. The perception of a cloud of dust is real. I could continue and define "event", "internal vs external environment" or "hallucination", but I won't. This is not a thesis

 

The event is what is real. I stated that the reference made no reference to any ghost or "real" ghost. The event that triggers a ghostly sighting and that is real. In scenario 2 as quoted from the article, the event is not real within the environment. One could argue that the chemical processes within the brain that causes hallucinations are real. Please don't. That is not my point. What is perceived in the hallucination is not real. The perception of a cloud of dust is real. I could continue and define "event", "internal vs external environment" or "hallucination", but I won't. This is not a thesis

The title of the OP is Ghosts not Events that are real, so what we supposed to think?

"Ghost - a visible manifestation of a human figure, in motion and in a non-physical form as to where the properties of a physical being do not exist."

 

Explanation would divert to religion as science cannot prove it.

 

I've never seen anything, I have listened to people who believe they have, I cannot judge it, it was their experience and I find it interesting.

I have tried to provoke such incident's to no avail. The chill in the room is interesting as you experience the incident, if the apparition you seen is absent of energy, I would then suggest it pulled the energy from the room, which many individuals say happens.

While science say no such proof is possible, I still need more proof, yet I always ask the question "Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only transformed" but, remember "This is not Religion" but science so, don't try and twist my words. I don't see the OP's title religious since the above is true.

If not tell me why not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

kv

 

Ghosts and Spirits does not exist.
What you see, feel is really an entity which exists.
And yes they do have a name

 

As a kid, I had an experience (consisting not precisely of seeing any type of ghost) which with time I started to doubt it was a real one but a creation planted amongst my recollections. Otherwise, I lived close to someone who had many different unusual perceptions, so to speak. As a kid I harboured the secret feeling that they were way too many...

I tend to agree that the event is what is real even if you cannot offer an explanation.

 

This is in the today's issue of one of our yellow papers. The image of the kid is not the focus but the claim of the family to the journalist and author for publishing with no permission. Sorry for not translating it.

http://www.infobae.com/america/amer...l-dolares-la-historia-que-paraliza-a-uruguay/

 

I have not *seen* a ghost but I believe I have been accosted by one which I could not see.

 

I have not *seen* a ghost but I believe I have been accosted by one which I could not see.

Maybe no one else wants to hear the story, but I would. Do you remember it clearly? To define location, maybe reasons why at the time of the event?

kv

 

Explanation would divert to religion as science cannot prove it.

Science does not usually definitively say that something is fact, just that certain events support a possible theory.
Theory of Evolution for e.g.

That said, I hold the notion of 'life after death' or, more precisely, "extra-corporal human consciousness" to constitute 'religion'...

That would make an assumption that it is a supernatural event, how do you know it is not possibly a natural one?
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Just as Richard Dawkins was challenged on not coming down 100% on his strongly held beliefs.
He replied " I firmly believe that fairies do not exist, but I cannot prove it, and so far no one has proven to me otherwise, until then I have an open mind"

I come down on the side of ghosts being a creation in the mind of the observer.
Max.

 

Maybe no one else wants to hear the story, but I would. Do you remember it clearly? To define location, maybe reasons why at the time of the event?

kv

I thought I told the story here a few years ago, but I cannot find it in a search.

I was 16 years old and I and couple friends went camping (trespassing) on a several thousand acres ranch across the fence from my father's property in Texas. It was just an excuse to drink beer away from parents. The ranch was mostly grassy plains except for this anomaly of a domed hill a ways in. The hill was round and almost a hemisphere; as if 1/3 of a sphere was portruding from the ground. More of a pile I guess, but it was covered in trees to give us cover, so that is where we made our fire and set up our tent.

We were all drinking and doing stupid things with fire around midnight, when we started to hear and feel "thuds" on the ground. We assumed it was some cows stamping their feet near the base of the hill. We assumed they would not venture up the hill because it was too steep. But the thuds kept getting louder and we got the impression they were getting closer. We ventured out from our fire with spotlights, looking for the offending cows, and found nothing at all. We did not hear any more thuds so we went back to the fire.

Maybe 30 minutes later, sitting around the fire, a thud happened directly behind me. It felt like someone dropped a cannonball out of the sky and it landed directly behind me. I had been poking the fire with a hatchet, and the thud so startled me that I swung my body and the hatchet 180 degrees at whatever it was behind me. Nothing there. My friends were staring at me with wide eyes. I asked them "please tell me you're not looking at me like I'm crazy. Please tell me you heard that." They confirmed that I was not crazy, and that an invisible meteorite definitely had just landed inches away from my back, and that there had even been a puff of dust from it.

A little spooked now, we decided to call it a night and walk back home. Nobody bothered to put out the fire or pack up their gear, we just got the hell out of there. Half way home we kept hearing something behind us, and there was nothing when we shined our lights. So we ran the rest of the way. The other guys got in their car and left. I went into my house and went to bed. As I was about to sleep, I heard something on the roof. Footsteps and dragging something around. I hid under my covers and waited for it to pass. It did.

In the morning everything was normal. We went back to the hill to get our stuff and inspect the area in daylight. We did not see anything to explain the thuds, no cow foot prints, no meteorite impact dents, no footprints or animal droppings of any kind anywhere around the hill. Not even any bird droppings. But we did find at least half a dozen holes which looked like graves dug up. about 6ft long, 3ft wide, and only about 2ft deep. It was super creepy and we never went anywhere near that place again.

 

As I was about to sleep, I heard something on the roof. Footsteps and dragging something around. I hid under my covers and waited for it to pass. It did.

In the morning everything was normal. We went back to the hill to get our stuff and inspect the area in daylight. We did not see anything to explain the thuds, no cow foot prints, no meteorite impact dents, no footprints or animal droppings of any kind anywhere around the hill. Not even any bird droppings. But we did find at least half a dozen holes which looked like graves dug up. about 6ft long, 3ft wide, and only about 2ft deep. It was super creepy and we never went anywhere near that place again.

That's a story, I didn't read it before. Footsteps and dragging something around part, very interesting. Texas has an ancient past, Clovis Culture, several Indian Clans, dating back many years. The Mound you speak of as if it's something thats an unusual feature in the landscape, seems to me a likely spot to bury someone if not many individuals.

Not saying they did, just suggesting their might not be evidence of such an occurrence after a thousand years or so.

Makes me think of the "Mummy returns" oooooo, ha ha ha. Spooky.

kv

 

Over the years I have read accounts of events that evidently according to those that experienced them could only be put down to some thing spiritual, one is the Ghostly ephemeral image that suddenly appears, the other is the 'mischievous' or 'devious' kind that turn on stoves, and stereo's that suddenly turn on by themselves, move articles of furniture etc.
Evidently some posses physical strength to operate appliances!
Just label me a skeptic.
Max.

 

“Do you believe in ghosts, Dim?” “Certainly not: but like every sensible man, I’m afraid of them. Why do you ask?”
― Arthur C. Clarke, 3001: The Final Odyssey

 

“Do you believe in ghosts, Dim?” “Certainly not: but like every sensible man, I’m afraid of them. Why do you ask?”
― Arthur C. Clarke, 3001: The Final Odyssey

 

Oh... give me a break... there's a difference between Arthur C Clarke and Casper The Friendly Ghost!

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I don't think that is true. Both fantasy, both conceivable, both literary genius.

 

That's a story, I didn't read it before. Footsteps and dragging something around part, very interesting. Texas has an ancient past, Clovis Culture, several Indian Clans, dating back many years. The Mound you speak of as if it's something thats an unusual feature in the landscape, seems to me a likely spot to bury someone if not many individuals.

Not saying they did, just suggesting their might not be evidence of such an occurrence after a thousand years or so.

Makes me think of the "Mummy returns" oooooo, ha ha ha. Spooky.

kv

I'm a skeptic personally. I tried to come up with a rational explanation, but like the ancients who didn't understand photosynthesis or the tides, the default answer was supernatural.

The footsteps on the roof could have been peacocks. There were some people down the road who had peacocks, and one time they got on our roof and it sounded similar to what I heard.

Whatever pursued us through the brush could have been our own imaginations. We were already freaked out and we could have been running from nothing. Or maybe it was a rodent or something.

But the sounds on the hill, the only "rational" explanation I ever came up with for that, was that it was some kind of buried bunker inhabited by doomsday-types, who were banging on the ceiling to make us shut up, as if it were some kind of apartment complex. But we did not see any tire or foot tracks leading to or anywhere near the hill other than the footprints we left. No door that we could find. Anyway, that explanation actually seems less likely than a poltergeist to me.

So this is filed under "unanswered questions" and "probable ghost encounter." I would love to one day know what happened there.

 

. I went into my house and went to bed. As I was about to sleep, I heard something on the roof. Footsteps and dragging something around. I hid under my covers and waited for it to pass. It did.

Was this in December and did you find presents under the tree the next morning?

 

The ranch was mostly grassy plains except for this anomaly of a domed hill a ways in. The hill was round and almost a hemisphere; as if 1/3 of a sphere was portruding from the ground. More of a pile I guess, but it was covered in trees to give us cover, so that is where we made our fire and set up our tent.

Indian mound?