We subjugate because we have profit in doing so.

Who's 'We'?

In common language contexts saying 'we' implies you are part of a larger group and thus you are a subjugator by association.

Now I, however, get subjugated all the time so for me 'they' are the subjugators and I am not associating myself with them.

Amazing how a little contextual associative word slip up makes you look like the bad guy even if you're not.

(Or are you?)

 

Maybe we could provide some kind of perverse entertainment for them?

Or, sex tourism?

Pretty sure they have AI tech that would put us out of the running for that too.

I mean, what would you rather get busy with? Some weird looking alien that doesn't know what goes where with you or some hot sexy AI that does everything you want and more?

 

And now we know how @tcmtech spends his spare time.
Not that there's anything wrong with that!

 

Okay? Apparently you get way more context out of my posts than I put into them.

 

It's a little late for that. While we're here pondering their laser pulses, they're receiving "I Love Lucy".

One can hope their "predictive abilities" are equal to our current crop of climate change/AGW predictions.

 

I've often pondered on what an alien society that is advanced enough to travel here in any reasonable time frame would view us as other than amusement.

Resource wise the Earth as a planet has nothing to offer that can't be found in space in vast abundances for far less effort.

1. Water and the two elements to make it are everywhere in the universe.

2. If they eat organic materials as we do, again, the elements and compounds to make such foodstuffs are everywhere as well.

3. Labor wise we suck. Period. Any civilization that has the technology to travel between the stars would also have AI tech to do their menial work that would blow our minds.

4. We don't get along with ourselves so why would they want to befriend a bunch of egotistical talking apes and give us reason to pursue interstellar space travel?
Once we saw interstellar space travel was possible and that there were other life forms out there we'd be more apt to make our species into the pillaging hoarding invading nuisances of the galaxy more than anything else.

That's why I think they don't see us as worth the effort to contact.
If you were part of and advanced alien civilization or consortium of them would you want to be the one to give us reason to want to leave this planet? I rather wouldn't.

Hi,

Is your Ex and alien too?

Some people just can not live with not knowing something, so they adopt one idea over another or make something up that sounds plausible just so that they can think they know something. They cant accept ambiguity even when it's the only logical truth. That's why we hear things that sound so deterministic even when there is a huge amount of doubt. Some people even take it one more step, by inventing something that supposedly exists that appears to give credence to their original deterministic outlook. That second invention or belief seems to give the first more credence than it originally had.

That's not to say that the first or the second is not true, it's just that by ordinary human reasoning there's no way to prove it yet they still declare it's got to be true absolutely. Let me state that in reverse order now in order to remove the appearance of sequential bias (ie A before B therefore B is more important when really they are equally important): There is no way to prove it but that doesnt mean it is not true either. (Read both statements in order to see the neutrality of the original statement).

It's simply not known yet what is out there if anything, and if there is anything out there what reason it would have for traveling here. We seek to travel, therefore we believe they would seek to travel also. Do they really? Who knows, we have to wait and see what comes up. On an episode of South Park (he he) they did a show about this too (he he) where the alien civilization created Earth and they used it as a reality TV show for their peoples amusement They did not want to come here though because they didnt want the people of Earth to know that they were just a funny TV show for them.

Did the scientists jump the gun on this one? Perhaps, but then we dont know why they decided that these particular signals were not of natural origin. There are ways to determine if a signal has some meaning to it other than just noise. But how they did it this time i have no idea yet.

The amazing part of all this is that this could be the turning point ... the point in history when we first realized there really is something out there.

 

No. Some subjugate because they enjoy power over other human beings. It is a mentality I simply don't understand. I've never desired to subjugate anyone.

Not according to somethings you've said about your employees over your time here. If you even have a company, extraordinary claims (having a company and many patents) require extraordinary proof. I know because I'm a French model in real life.

 

Is your Ex and alien too?

Actually it was the other way around. I was the one being accused of being an alien.

She considered herself to be way smarter than everyone else (90 on a Mensa IQ test showdown against me. ) yet it was clear I was way smarter than her so the only logical conclusion was I couldn't possibly be human.

 

If the Universe began with the Big Bang, then the singularity began at a point within a void, if the singularity within the void is an unknown point of origin, can we assume they're more advanced?

Basing our assumptions on age, who is or isn't older. We might just be more advanced and by the time we reach them, we consume replenish resouces, populate it and move on in the Universe.


kv

 

If the Universe began with the Big Bang, then the singularity began at a point within a void, if the singularity within the void is an unknown point of origin, can we assume they're more advanced?

Basing our assumptions on age, who is or isn't older. We might just be more advanced and by the time we reach them, we consume replenish resouces, populate it and move on in the Universe.


kv

Hi,

It's not really an assumption, but it is a high probability.

That's because the age of the universe has been estimated to be a little less than 14 billion years, while a lower limit on the oldest star cluster is about 11 billion years, and our solar system has only been intact for the last 4.5 billion years, which is about 32 percent of the total age of the universe and about 41 percent of the age of the oldest star cluster, which also happens to be 41 percent of the age of the oldest solar system found so far.

Now consider how far we've come in the last 1000 years, and where we would be after the next 1000 years if we survive. Then consider a solar system that has been in existence 1 percent longer than ours. 1 percent of 4.5 billion is 45 million years, which is 45 thousand times greater than our projection date of 1000 years from now.
So given the same startup conditions, they could be so much more advanced than us that we can not even IMAGINE what they could be capable of doing. We cant even imagine it. What changes could have occurred that brought on still more changes, we cant even imagine.

What this means is that any evolution that might have taken place in the oldest solar system known so far would have had about 6.5 billion years longer than us to develop, which is over 100 percent longer, and after thinking about what could happen in just 1 percent more time, multiply that by 100 and you see where this is going.
To imagine what could have taken place so far is just not possible in it's entirety.

There are counter points to this line of thinking though. One such counter line is similar to what we face right now on our planet. That is that we could end up killing ourselves through thoughtless neglect or outright warring. If that were the case for every planet with life, then there is a chance that they already killed each other off and so we will never see that advancement. However, just one that managed to survive, and there we have it...more intelligent than any human today can even imagine in their wildest dreams.

We can also calculate this based on the estimated age of the human race vs theirs, but we'll get about the same results qualitatively for all practical purposes. In fact, if we do this we'll get much higher percentages which means they will be even more intelligent yet.

Now consider a solar system that is much younger than ours which of course is another scenario to think about. Maybe they only have animals such as cows. We'd want to eat them

 

Any species that can place itself - or at least its genetic material - on more than one planet has a huge evolutionary advantage. We could be knocked extinct easily by events similar to what this planet has already suffered. But if we were already spread to a half dozen or more planets, that becomes highly unlikely.