Exotic propulsion

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Like I said, to some, ordinary intelligence seems expert. It's really a sad state of affairs but I love kicking stones. :D
As do I. People who brag about their "intelligence" and "expertise" are a favorite target. I have a pretty good Bovine Excrement Meter that helps me pick the targets.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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As do I. People who brag about their "intelligence" and "expertise" are a favorite target. I have a pretty good Bovine Excrement Meter that helps me pick the targets.
I don't brag. A question is asked, I try to answer to the best of my ability, experience and knowledge. I've been flat out wrong more times than I like to remember but usually there is a kernel of truth on things I've worked with for a lifetime and like most older people I still read and explore books for actual information instead of just searching it on the web.

Your BS meter is defective as you've tried over the years to hit a few targets and missed every time like Wile E. Coyote.

 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Your BS meter is defective as you've tried over the years to hit a few targets and missed every time
You mean like when you claimed to have read the Muller report before it was even released? It's funny but most of the ones I catch you in are always deleted.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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You mean like when you claimed to have read the Muller report before it was even released? It's funny but most of the ones I catch you in are always deleted.
Good try with the 'deleted' evidence troll but you obviously have me confused (or it's all in your head) with someone else. I've never read the Muller report or claimed to have read it before or after it was published.
 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Good try with the 'deleted' evidence troll but you obviously have me confused (or it's all in your head) with someone else. I've never read the Muller report or claimed to have read it before or after it was published.
Yet another of your "misdirects" when caught , calling out, TROLL! Talk about ad hominem, yet another of your favorites. I know you said it, and you know you said it.But many read what you said, but are not going to come forward.
 
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Yet another of your "misdirects" when caught , calling out, TROLL! Talk about ad hominem, yet another of your favorites. But many read what you said, but are not going to come forward.

I know, my powers of mind control are amazing. It's the first thing they teach you in 'SPY' school.

For some reason it doesn't work on you.

but your trolls are just too much fun to deflect by this 'Grasshopper'.
 
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BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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The "Theory of Special Relativity" actually proves just the opposite: You can, in effect, exceed the speed of light.

It works like this. You board a rocket with some exotic fuel that is capable of providing 2 G's of constant acceleration for long periods of time and aim it at our closest star system, Alpha Centauri, roughly 4.6 light years aways. In fact you should arrive there in just about half that time!

So how? You didn't overtake any light beams but you did EFFECTIVELY exceed the speed of light thanks to the direct effects of time dilation. Measured from Earth of course there would be no faster than light travel to speak of, as more than 5 years would have passed. But from your space-travelling perspective at least you would indeed have basically exceeded "the ultimate speed limit".
Actually the special theory of relativity isn't about the actual speed of light. That is a misunderstanding by the public at large. It's about an expression for energy. In fact, E = mc^2 isn't correct. It's a reduced formula from a larger original formula that accounts for the specifics of light itself, which e=mc^2 does not. Those parts of the equation simply cancel out when referring to mass, not light.

Furthermore the original equation, was in some ways more accurate. E does not in fact = mc^2. Because Mass is not a property of energy,. Energy can exist without mass (and does). Energy is a property of mass. Mass cannot exist without energy. This is probably the most fundamental concept anyone in physics should ever grasp.

Having said that, it is true that the speed of light can be exceeded- shine two flashlights at each other (as you were mentioning), and voila, one of the photos as related to another photon headed in the opposite way is indeed moving twice as fast, if the other photon is motionless. A realworld example this is the blue-shift in certain nuclear reactors.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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shine two flashlights at each other (as you were mentioning), and voila, one of the photos as related to another photon headed in the opposite way is indeed moving twice as fast, if the other photon is motionless
o_O errr.... no, that's not the way I understand it...
 

BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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Can't see how that would work in free space! No different to have a couple of weights connected with a spring that pushed and pulled on one of them.wouldn't go anywhere.
Um, no. That's not actually how it works. To be quite honest, simply adding energy to matter, increases it's mass. It's well understood and quite extraordinary. The area where most of these people are falling down is that they fail to understand the quantity of energy required in order to make the performance leaps they require-- and that is the limiting factor. We can't have something taking 40,000 years to get to light speed, for example. And frankly, in order to travel some of the distances in space- you have to move at millions the times the speed of light.
 

BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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o_O errr.... no, that's not the way I understand it...
It might not be the way you undertand it, but it is how it works physically. It's all relative. Most people don't understand much of what Einstein did. Is either photon actually moving faster than light? No.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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It might not be the way you undertand it, but it is how it works physically. It's all relative. Most people don't understand much of what Einstein did. Is either photon actually moving faster than light? No.
It's not all relativity. Being scolded by your spouse is relative, but your resultant misery is absolute.;)
 
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