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crutschow

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I can't tolerate a day's delay in most cases, so using an EV would not be a viable option for me.
Certainly if going from point A to point B in the minimum time is needed on a long trip, than obviously an EV is not the way to go.

Being retired, that's not a particular problem for me.
And since my EV is so much more responsive and fun to drive than any ICE car I've owned (including the 240Z I had), I'll never go back unless I have to.
(My EV also has some additional perks, like near instant inside heat in cold weather, and a 16A, 120V outlet that can provide some emergency power from its main battery in case of a residential power outage).
 
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crutschow

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Okay, given all the negative comments about EV's here, I can't help but note that I can happily ignore the recent rise in gas prices (or to whatever they may go to before this latest presidential fiasco is over), since my cost to charge my EV at my garage fuel station (120Vac socket in the wall) is still only about U$0.025 per mile.
 
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nsaspook

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Okay, given all the negative comments about EV's here, I can't help but note that I can happily ignore the recent rise in gas prices (or to whatever they may go to before this latest presidential fiasco is over), since my EV cost to charge at my garage fuel station is still only about U$0.025 per mile.
Energy prices, include electrical energy are also increasing. It's an energy shortage that will affect all energy sectors, including manufacturing and farming.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/13/business/iran-war-gas-prices-groceries.html
The War in Iran Is Driving Costs Up. Here Are Some Ways to Save.
The widening war in the Mideast is making life more expensive. Experts shared some simple cost-cutting tips.
 

nsaspook

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Where have electrical energy prices increased?
Or are you just speculating?
Are you kidding? Do you think electrical energy prices will fall or remain stable in this environment? There is massive power requirements for future 'AI' and other data-centers that are causing electrical price increases nationwide. Most are not running on 'green' energy sources. I'm just looking at history when oil jumps up, all energy goes up. It's not Rocket Science.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-the-war-spikes-gas-prices-heres-what-to-know
But experts say electricity prices have been increasing nationally for a variety of reasons, including surging power demand from new data centers.

"This is an inflationary event," Holt Edwards, principal in Bracewell's Policy Resolution Group, said of the war. "Is this the driver in electricity prices? I think probably not. But it's certainly a contributing factor."
 

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crutschow

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Are you kidding?
Nope.
You said electrical prices are increasing, and I asked where, to clarify your statement.
So your statement was what you think will happen, not what has happened up to this point.

I agree they probably will, but that mainly depends upon how long this war fiasco lasts.
Yes, that's not "Rocket Science". :rolleyes:
But the price of electricity would have to go up about a factor of 7 to match the cost of gasoline for the average ICE car if gas goes to U$5/gal.
Edit: Corrected charge cost of EV electricity --

As far as the "AI" data centers, they should be mandated to provide their own power source if they are going to overload the grid.
It look like "AI" is rapidly becoming a pox on our society in more ways than one.
 
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nsaspook

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Nope.
You said electrical prices are increasing, and I asked where, to clarify your statement.
So your statement was what you think will happen, not what has happened up to this point.

I agree they probably will, but that mainly depends upon how long this war fiasco lasts.
Yes, that's not "Rocket Science". :rolleyes:
But the price of electricity would have to go up about a factor of 10 to match the cost of gasoline for the average ICE car if gas goes to U$5/gal.

As far as they "AI" data centers, they should be mandated to provide their own power source if they are going to overload the grid.
It look like "AI" is rapidly becoming a pox on our society in more ways than one.
So the real question is how much, not if and the if depends on future events, consumers location and what sorts of oil independence the local energy supplies have.
IMO things won't change very much pro or con on the EV decision in the US unless something very drastic happens.

I've decided that my efforts should be better spent on home energy, so I'm building out a DIY system to reduce on-grid energy costs that could be used to offset EV energy prices if I ever decide it's wise choice as a replacement car in the future.
 

ronsimpson

Joined Oct 7, 2019
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From what I read the price of energy has increased a little.
The wires and poles have not been maintained. Now with all the data centers we need main lines rebuilt. I have seen pictures of bills that include a delivery charge, where the delivery cost more than the energy used.
 

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crutschow

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I was mainly referring to any electrical energy price increase due to the recent ongoing fiasco in the Middle East.
 

Externet

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Anything and everything is a good enough excuse to raise prices of anything and everything by corporations anywhere and everywhere. :(
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Anything and everything is a good enough excuse to raise prices of anything and everything by corporations anywhere and everywhere. :(
And anything and everything is taxable by governments anywhere and everywhere :(

It's always the little guy that ends up paying the most ...
 

joeyd999

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Anything and everything is a good enough excuse to raise prices of anything and everything by corporations anywhere and everywhere. :(
“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
 

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crutschow

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I'm building out a DIY system to reduce on-grid energy costs
So what is the electricity cost for you?

Here in Denver it's 11¢/KWh for off-peak hours, and 30¢/kWh for on-peak (5pm-9pm).
That makes the break-even point for home solar panel's cost about 5-6 years for me here for DIY panels with inverter.
 

ronsimpson

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Here in Denver it's 11¢/KWh for off-peak hours, and 30¢/kWh for on-peak
In Northern Colorado, I am paying 9.1¢/KWh from Rural Electric Association. They charged me $10 this month for high peak demand. This is not a normal electric company but a co-op where we all own part of the company. We have 10x more wires and poles/costumer compared to electrics in town. Yet your "down time" is less than in Denver. Our cost is less. We are proud of that. My propane (gas) and Electric comes from different coops. (grain & fertilizer from another) At the end of the year the co-ops pay us back the profit because we are stockholders. We vote on who runs the co-op and on big decisions.

Most utilities, make a guarantied 4% profit because the government guarantees it. You can make 4% and be a monopoly or you can compete in the market with no limit to profit/loss. Recently the utilities had the government change the laws so they can charge differently. Any time there is an emery (as defined by the utilities company) there is no cap in profit. And there is no limit on understructure profit. The new laws allow for all types of fees to be added on that do not have a 4% cap on them.
 
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nsaspook

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So what is the electricity cost for you?

Here in Denver it's 11¢/KWh for off-peak hours, and 30¢/kWh for on-peak (5pm-9pm).
That makes the break-even point for home solar panel's cost about 5-6 years for me here for DIY panels with inverter.
We've had a lot of rain and wind for a while so production has been low but it's getting better.
Fixed rate plan.
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I've been holding the battery energy reserves at a high level because of power glitches and possible outages, with the weather improving I'll start dumping more power into the house at night.

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The plan is to double up on battery energy and solar panel power this summer.
 

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crutschow

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I grew up on a small farm in Wisconsin and my dad was a big fan of co-ops as we called them (I am too, but there are not many around here).
Along with the REA, our local farm supply store was a co-op.
 
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