Edison is dead and now so is his Lightbulb!

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SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Seems they completely ignored industrial and transportation needs. Surprising that someone got marine included and not them.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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The corporate boards who decide what the market will decide already decided - back in the 1990's. As already pointed out, this is a largely symbolic move.

The buying power in the US is in the hands of the second generation raised in the post-1981 era. This is completely irreversible, and will only get worse.

The IBM PC changed the centuries-old relationship between price and performance; each year, computers got better and cheaper, a kind of macro-economic negative-resistance. No one *** in the world*** will pay $10,000 for a smart phone, it's true value in 1980 dollars, and yet we constantly demand more features and performance for the same or lower price, in a country with a minimum wage that is 100x higher than what is necessary to make that happen. Plus all of that non-poisonous water stuff. We want our things, we want them cheap, and we don't care who dies as long as they are somewhere else. Note that somewhere else sin't always far away. Flint - lead. Kentucky - Teflon. Any mining state - heavy metals. Etc.

"The government" (of either/any political bent) did not force the end of domestic light bulb production, or TV production, or phone production, or washing machine production. We did.

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That's my point exactly of why this regulation was an unnecessary waste of tax dollars to write it. The market has decided but some just wanted to kick an already dying horse to death.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Seems they completely ignored industrial and transportation needs. Surprising that someone got marine included and not them.
I'm pretty sure there will be more exemptions as industrial and transportation needs are explained by their lawyers in court.
 

Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
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As far as jury rigging the systems, that is out of the question.
You will still be able to buy specialty bulbs like a GE Lighting 40-Watt A15 Appliance Bulb.
You could always take a standard lamp base and install a resistor to simulate the initial inrush of current.
the parks are closed at night then why do they have very bright lighting?.
To keep me from getting my drug fixes.
You will still be able to buy specialty bulbs like a GE Lighting 40-Watt A15 Appliance Bulb.
 
Are fixtures in the UK ES now instead of bayonet cap?
ES does that mean screw fitting? If so I wouldn't say yes but they are definitely harder to find these days but you can get them online. New light fittings they come with screw fit. I was told that screw is preferred as you can fit them one handed and there's less chance of electrocution.
 
Only general propose bulbs are being banned. You will still be able to buy specialty bulbs like a GE Lighting 40-Watt A15 Appliance Bulb. Niche bulbs will still be on the market.

What a great example of excessive governmentese in documents.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2013-BT-STD-0051-0079


Thank goodness there is an exemption for lefties.
https://www.bulbs.com/product/100A-LHT-LEFT-HAND-THREAD
Satco 100W 130V A19 Left Hand Threaded Bulb E26 Base

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LHT lamps are exempt from lamp bans here in the USA. Find some left handed fixtures and you're good to go.
Is this real or like a left handed screw driver? I ask because when you take the bulb out you have to screw it the opposite way so whether left or right handed you are still going to have the screw the bulb the other way at some point, why is this a problem for lefties?
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Is this real or like a left handed screw driver? I ask because when you take the bulb out you have to screw it the opposite way so whether left or right handed you are still going to have the screw the bulb the other way at some point, why is this a problem for lefties?
Yes, it's real. It's anti-theft for dim bulb dumb criminals.
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Of course, it was actually a certain Mr. Swan who invented the incandescent light bulb – but Mr. Edison somehow got the credit.
Not the whole story.
According to Wikipedia "In what are considered to be independent lines of inquiry, Swan's incandescent electric lamp was developed at the same time Thomas Edison was working on his incandescent lamp[35] with Swan's first successful lamp and Edison's lamp both patented in 1879."

So their inventions were basically done at the same time.
Edison likely got the credit because his other inventions and lab were better known that Swan.

Edison developed a high resistance lamp filament that allowed the lamps to wired in parallel.
Swans first lamps had a low resistance filament and had to wired in series, which was not very practical in typical use.

In 1883 Edison and Swan joined together so they could use each others patents, eliminating any patent battles, to build light bulbs.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Yes, most of Edison's famous inventions are now more or less obsolete including, but not limited to: the practical incandescent bulb, film movies, the phonograph (except for a few die-hards), DC power distribution, and the carbon mike (which made Bell's early telephone practical).
A book just out, and an interesting read is "The Man Who Invented Motion Pictures" by Paul Fischer.
The story of Louis Le Prince that actually came up with the idea, He patented his idea in several European countries and intended to show it after arriving in the US.
He disappeared, and was never heard from again. lots of stories surfaced about his apparent 'demise'.
It took his family 7 years to get him declared dead, in order to claim the inventions.
In the mean time, Edison demonstrated his remarkably same 'Invention' !!
Very interesting read indeed..
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Edison didn't always come up with an idea first, but he was very good at making it practical and promoting its use.
Sounds very familiar to a certain well known TV-Film producer that takes shows produced by others, adds his name and takes all the credit when they become popular without making any reference to those that came up with the idea and the script(s). :(
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Well, I tend to give as much or more credit to those who make an idea practical, which Bell and Edison both did, as compared to those who just came up with the idea.

Thus I tend to disdain patent mills that buy up patents just so so they can extort those who have made useful devices from some idea that happens to be patented, especially if it is for something that would likely have logically been developed as the state-of-the art improved.
To me. a second party should not be rewarded for a patent, unless they are building a useful device from the idea.

A good example is the patent for the integrated circuit microprocessor.
That is something that would have logically been built when IC fabrication advanced to the point that sufficient transistors could be put on one chip for that purpose.
There was nothing particular innovative about that, yet a patent was granted.
On that basis, any type of circuit put on a integrated circuit could be patented.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Well in the case of Louis Le Prince, he not only had perfected it, he patented it and had a model ready to demonstrate the idea state-side when he disappeared.
 

k1ng 1337

Joined Sep 11, 2020
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A book just out, and an interesting read is "The Man Who Invented Motion Pictures" by Paul Fischer.
The story of Louis Le Prince that actually came up with the idea, He patented his idea in several European countries and intended to show it after arriving in the US.
He disappeared, and was never heard from again. lots of stories surfaced about his apparent 'demise'.
It took his family 7 years to get him declared dead, in order to claim the inventions.
In the mean time, Edison demonstrated his remarkably same 'Invention' !!
Very interesting read indeed..
This is why I don't care much (in a civilian capacity) about who came up with an idea "first". Back in the day it was much easier to get away with theft and murder and generally only those with significant cash (family, aristocracy etc. ) had the means to conduct scientific experiments to the level where an investor could be acquired to get the idea rolling commercially. There are many accounts of stolen works and in the age of emerging record keeping, I wager its impossible to know who did what for sure. Personally, I don't believe a person can own an idea, a song or a lifeform. On the other hand, if a person or group creates something tangible as a result of that inspiration then those rights should be protected in the spirit of capitalism.
 
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