Do you think this PSU comes with active/passive PFC ?

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p699

Joined Oct 8, 2021
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I have come to believe that a PSU which has no voltage selector at the back and can operate from 100Vac to 240Vac most probably has PFC circuit inside. I dont know how true this assumption is (not true for mobile chargers) but all the ATX SMPS I have with me are like this.

There is a seconds sale of a particular PSU right now, I am thinking of buying it in some quantity. But I am not able to know if it has PFC or not. No documentation seems to be available online. Can you please look at the attached photos and guess if it contains a PFC circuit ? Based on some photos I found online I know it has this ic TNY277, I dont know if it is for PFC or not.
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Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
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As it is CE marked, it must meet EN61000-3-2 (Harmonic Currents), which have reasonably strict limits for computer equipment (not as strict as lighting) so, at a guess, it will have some sort of power factor correction.
However, it is perfectly possible to make a flyback converter without PFC that operates from 90V to 250V.
TNY277 has a maximum output of about 20W, so that's not the main controller chip.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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TNY277 is just a switch with a feedback input for undervoltage on the output of a flyback converter. There is no mention of doing PFC in the datasheet. At least none that I could find.
 

Pyrex

Joined Feb 16, 2022
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Output is 210W, so when powered from 240V current is expected to be about 1 Amp.
Input current on the table is 2.5 Amps so no PFC provided
 

Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
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Output is 210W, so when powered from 240V current is expected to be about 1 Amp.
Input current on the table is 2.5 Amps so no PFC provided
It belongs to class D "Personal computers. . ." so its maximum 3rd harmonic current is 3.4mA per Watt of input, so I think it would need PFC.
 

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p699

Joined Oct 8, 2021
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It belongs to class D "Personal computers. . ." so its maximum 3rd harmonic current is 3.4mA per Watt of input, so I think it would need PFC.
Some ATX-PSUs come with no PFC. I have a few of them. I have compared both, the non-PFC one pulls 25% more current for the same task executed on the same computer. This thread originates from this dilemma. If I can have PSUs with PFC then I can buy smaller UPS and thus save some money.
 

Ian0

Joined Aug 7, 2020
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Some ATX-PSUs come with no PFC. I have a few of them. I have compared both, the non-PFC one pulls 25% more current for the same task executed on the same computer. This thread originates from this dilemma. If I can have PSUs with PFC then I can buy smaller UPS and thus save some money.
It might take more current, but does it take any more power?
 
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