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Alec_t

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Picked up a couple of Covid lateral flow test kits today, just in case they're needed at some point. Guess which country they're made in? That's right: China. Somewhat ironic, given the source of the pandemic. Conspiracy theory ammunition?
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.technologynetworks.com/...vs-pfizer-vaccine-first-data-available-356640
Next, the researchers looked at the ability to neutralize Omicron in two groups of individuals:

The individuals that had previously tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection did so in the first wave of the pandemic in South Africa, during which the prominent form of the virus was D614G.

Plasma samples were collected from each of the 12 participants.

“Geometric mean titer (GMT) FRNT50 (inverse of the plasma dilution required for 50% reduction in infection foci number) was 1321 for D614G,” the authors write in the paper. These samples therefore had very strong neutralization capabilities against this variant of SARS-CoV-2.

So what happens when the samples are tested against Omicron?

“GMT FRNT50 for the same samples was 32 for Omicron, a 41-fold decline,” the authors write.

While this figure might seem frightening, the researchers emphasize that neutralization escape by Omicron was not incomplete; five of the participants that had been previously infected – in addition to being vaccinated – demonstrated seemingly high neutralization titers against Omicron.
Keep calm, get your booster and carry on
“It is important to interpret the data cautiously, as the investigators themselves point out. While the amount of virus-killing observed in the lab is reduced markedly – up to 40-times reduction – there is still measurable virus neutralization, especially in those who were vaccinated and previously infected,” Dr. Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular biology at the University of Nottingham, told the SMC. “This group effectively mimics what we would expect in people who had had two doses of vaccine plus a boost.”
 

Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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Today Pfizer said that a booster shot (3rd dose) of their vaccine increases the neutralization of the Omicron variant 25 times more than with only two doses! Isn't that a conflict of interest? Another company should do the tests.
They assume that everybody knows that unvaccinated people will be super-spreaders and will be severely infected.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Today Pfizer said that a booster shot (3rd dose) of their vaccine increases the neutralization of the Omicron variant 25 times more than with only two doses! Isn't that a conflict of interest? Another company should do the tests.
They assume that everybody knows that unvaccinated people will be super-spreaders and will be severely infected.
The 3rd dose mimics the effect of natural infection and vaccination working together.

https://www.ahri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/MEDRXIV-2021-267417v1-Sigal.pdf
The results we present here with Omicron show much more extensive escape. However, escape was incomplete in participants with higher FRNT50 due to previous infection. Previous infection, followed by vaccination or booster is likely to increase the neutralization level and likely confer protection from severe disease in Omicron infection.
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Top figure: Neutralization of the Omicron virus compared to D614G ancestral virus participants vaccinated with BNT162b2 and infected by ancestral SARSCoV-2 (green) or vaccinated only. 14 samples from 12 participants were tested. Red horizontal line denotes most concentrated plasma tested. Numbers in black above each virus strain are geometric mean titers (GMT) of the reciprocal plasma dilution (FRNT50) causing 50% reduction in the number of infection foci. Number in red denote fold-change in GMT between virus strain on the left and the virus strain on the right of each panel. p=0.0018 as determined by the Wilcoxon rank sum test.
 

Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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My 3rd dose of Pfizer vaccine called the "booster shot" will keep the Omricon variant from making me seriously infected or dead.

Most new virus cases here are with little kids who are not vaccinated yet. But they usually have minor symptoms.
Hospitals are filling up with with seriously infected adult antivaxxers again. Maybe the antivaxxers will also refuse the new pills that reduce the infection? It is the hospitals who should refuse admitting the antivaxxers.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...tor-u-s-has-seen-mild-cases-of-omicron-so-far
Reported cases of the omicron variant have nearly all been mild so far, according to the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“The disease is mild,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky told the Associated Press in an interview, noting that the data on omicron is still limited.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ne-antibodies-neutralization-immunity/620946/
And there it is, the first trickle of data to confirm it. In the eyes of vaccinated immune systems, Omicron looks like a big old weirdo—but also, a kind of familiar one. That’s the verdict served up by several preliminary studies and press releases out this week, describing how well antibodies, isolated from the blood of vaccinated people, recognize and sequester the new variant in a lab. The news is … well, pretty much the middling outcome that experts have been anticipating for weeks: a blunting of a certain type of immune protection, but not an obliteration.
 

Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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So far, the South African tests were with only a few people (selected to be extra healthy?) on the average age of 32 years old down there because starvation and guns have killed older people.
Tests here by Pfizer says the booster shot makes their vaccine 25 times better than with only 2 shots.

Why don't the antivaxxers see what the experts say every day, "Most people in intensive care units who are getting severely ill or dying are unvaccinated." That is why we have mandates and we are blocking unvaccinated people from doing anything.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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So far, the South African tests were with only a few people (selected to be extra healthy?) on the average age of 32 years old down there because starvation and guns have killed older people.
hi agu,
I would be interested to see your evidence for this statement.
because starvation and guns have killed older people.

My Son lives in RSA, we have bi-weekly video chats, so I am kept up to date, also I have spent almost two years living in that country.
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Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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Yesterday the South African scientist/doctor who tested the Omricon patients admitted that the average age of the population was fairly low.
Yesterday on MSM news there was an interview with South African and American actress and producer Charlize Theron who said how miserable it was living in South Africa and that her father was killed by a gun in South Africa because "everybody there has a gun".

We should not talk about race here but Wikipedia says "Crime, poverty and inequality remain widespread, with about a quarter of the population unemployed and living on less than US$1.25 a day".
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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Hi agu,
Before you rubbish other countries poverty and crime levels, I suggest you take off your blinkers and look closer to home.

Having said that, I believe that Canada is a great country, it's unfortunate you, personally, have such a Xenophobic attitude towards others.

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The poverty rate in 2018 was 11% based on Canada's Official Poverty Line. This means that 3.98 million Canadians, or 1 in 9, were living in poverty in 2018.

According to the data, 1 in 9 people in Canada live in poverty. Some groups have disproportionately high levels of poverty, including, unattached individuals, persons with disabilities, children, recent immigrants, persons in sole-caregiver families and First Nations People living on a reserve.

Nearly five million people in Canada – that’s one out of every seven individuals – currently live in poverty. Poverty is a widespread issue across the country and the world, but vulnerable groups such as people living with disabilities, single parents, elderly individuals, youth, and racialized communities are more susceptible. The effects of poverty can be expressed in different aspects of a person’s life, including food security, health, and housing. The following statistics show the different manifestations of poverty in Canada.
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment...nal-advisory-council/reports/2020-annual.html

https://cwp-csp.ca/poverty/just-the-facts/

https://www.chatelaine.com/news/gun-control-canada/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2021001/article/00013-eng.htm
 
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