If you search back to 2018/2019, it was known that mRNA induced vaccine response starts to decline fairly rapidly and yearly vaccination will be required. It actually has nothing to do with mutations. And once again they do not know why that is the immune response.

And natural immunity from having covid last even less. Or at least that's the last thing I saw about "natural" immunity.

 

The root problem is not the daily shrinking anti-vaxx population in the US. The root problem is under-vaccinated regions of the world where the Greek letter versions of the evading virus versions fester.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/world/africa/coranavirus-vaccine-hesitancy-africa.html

And now, there are growing signs in parts of Africa, as well as South Asia, that skepticism or outright hostility toward the Covid vaccines may run deeper than expected, even as the new and possibly more dangerous Omicron variant is spreading. In Africa, at least three countries have now reported Omicron cases: South Africa, Botswana and, on Wednesday, Nigeria.
...
“There’s no doubt that vaccine hesitancy is a factor in the rollout of vaccines,” said Dr. Matshidiso Moeti, the Africa director of the World Health Organization. News or rumors of potential side effects, she said, “gets picked out and talked about, and some people become afraid.”https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...on=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending
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Just days before the Omicron variant was first detected, health officials in South Africa turned away shipments of doses from Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson, worried that their stockpile of 16 million shots might spoil amid insufficient demand.

 

And natural immunity from having covid last even less. Or at least that's the last thing I saw about "natural" immunity.

There is a lot of evidence from South Africa that exposure to "omicron" results in broad immunity to wide range of variants, much better than from any existing vaccine. There is no reason to believe that immunity is any more short lived than what was acquired from earlier variants and that immunity is longer than from the vaccine.

p.s. I stopped posting links to information as it really is not worth my time at this point.

 

How's that working for ya?

 

How's that working for ya?

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The list keeps getting longer ... and there's no way on earth to reason with them, even when presented with hard, undeniable facts:

Celebrity anti-vaxxers who died of COVID-19

Anti-vax activist dies of COVID-19 amid QAnon demands for ivermectin​

 

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...icacy-against-omicron-expected-tuesday-687392

Later in the evening, a report by Channel 12 said the Pfizer vaccine is just slightly less effective in preventing infection with Omicron than with Delta – 90% as opposed to 95% – while it is as effective – around 93% – in preventing serious symptoms at least for those vaccinated with a booster.

According to the report, the ability of the variant to infect is higher than Delta but not as much as feared – around 1.3 times higher.
...
At the same time, those not inoculated have a 2.4 times greater chance of developing serious symptoms, a significant figure.

Two cardiologists from Sheba Medical Center were verified as infected with the Omicron variant, a spokesperson for the hospital confirmed. He said they were experiencing “very light symptoms.”

If this is based on solid data, it's good news.

 

p.s. stop posting links to information as it really is not worth my time at this point.

What are you talking about? The links are from some one else.

 

I sincerely doubt that voicing doubt about the utility of a vaccine or the need for it is responsible for these reported deaths. Having fun over the misfortunes of others is pretty low.

 

What are you talking about? The links are from some one else.

I am sorry, i was talking about myself. It was early in the morning and I mistyped.

As an aside, much of what is happening is directly due to politics of division and nothing else as far as I am concerned.

 

As an aside, much of what is happening is directly due to politics of division and nothing else as far as I am concerned.

No truer words have been spoken in this thread.

 

I have to go a little against the political theme as to who does or does not get vaccinated. Neither my or my wife's thoughts on any political party affiliation had any effect, even remotely, on our vaccination decision. I know personally very strong right and left leaning people who chose vaccination as well as those who chose the anti vaccination route. I place much more stock in our primary care doctor than either the past or current occupants of the White House. Anyone who would make a decision to get or not get vaccinated based on a political stance comes up nothing short of an idiot to my thinking. I seek medical advice from what I feel is a doctor who I have trusted for years. I do not seek medical advice from a political party, regardless of party.

Ron

 

This person was vaccinated.

 

I have to go a little against the political theme as to who does or does not get vaccinated. Neither my or my wife's thoughts on any political party affiliation had any effect, even remotely, on our vaccination decision. I know personally very strong right and left leaning people who chose vaccination as well as those who chose the anti vaccination route. I place much more stock in our primary care doctor than either the past or current occupants of the White House. Anyone who would make a decision to get or not get vaccinated based on a political stance comes up nothing short of an idiot to my thinking. I seek medical advice from what I feel is a doctor who I have trusted for years. I do not seek medical advice from a political party, regardless of party.

Ron

Politics of division is (to me) not the same as strict adherance to your political party of choice. For the most part in Canada for example, and elsewhere, all leaders have called for people to get vaccinated as it will protect from dangerous outcome. The politics are in how public health delivers the message. In disciplining and sensoring medical professionals who raise ANY questions about how studies were done, data analyzed etc. This is what causes mistrust. And once you lost trust, you cannot get it back

Public health spokespeople are not your doctor unfortunately. Doctors have to bow to their college and so on and so forth. So hopefully you do have a good doctor who knows your full medical history. Many people do not have that luxury.

 

So hopefully you do have a good doctor who knows your full medical history. Many people do not have that luxury.

Over 20 years with our current doctor. Nobody I trust more and his diagnostics have always been perfect and when a specialist was needed his referrals have always been excellent and the best in their fields. He's always on top of things like making sure we get certain annual checks done. Because of him we caught my wife's early stage cancer. Unless a person trust in their doctor I suggest they find another one.

Ron

 

The issue isn't the maelstrom of data from studies around the world.
It's the sifting and declaring a subset of it as information, and all else as misinformation.
Not allowing reasoned discussion of various merits, warrants a critical eye for a political and/or financial agenda.

 

The issue isn't the maelstrom of data from studies around the world.
It's the sifting and declaring a subset of it as information, and all else as misinformation.
Not allowing reasoned discussion of various merits, warrants a critical eye for a political and/or financial agenda.

Sorry but there is a cesspool of dis/mis/mal information out there. If people want to wallow in that filth they are free to do so elsewhere so but some of us like a cleaner house.

 

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/...t-holds-news-conference-discuss-covid-hawaii/

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - The state confirmed its first confirmed case of the Omicron variant Thursday and officials said the unvaccinated Oahu resident had no history of travel.

That means there is likely community spread of the worrisome mutation in the islands.
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Kemble said the first Omicron case is an adult under the age of 65 who had previously had COVID.

The person is still be monitored, but so far has experienced mild to moderate symptoms.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...cines-becoming-tougher-to-find-in-some-places

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Vaccines have suddenly become scarce in some parts of Oregon after months of vaccine surplus in the state and across that nation, officials said.
The situation is a dramatic shift from the late spring, summer and early fall, when Oregon tossed out over 400,000 unused spoiled or expired doses, largely because of lack of demand, The Oregonian/OregonLive reported.

 

Following a nice steady decline here in Ohio, US the reported new cases have shot up dramatically over the past few days. Drastically as in doubled. Mostly among the unvaccinated percentage of the population. Now of course we globally have the new variant to deal with has thus far not shown up locally to me but like everything else it's only a matter of time. Just surprised at the increasing numbers which were decreasing.

Ron

 

Following a nice steady decline here in Ohio, US the reported new cases have shot up dramatically over the past few days. Drastically as in doubled. Mostly among the unvaccinated percentage of the population. Now of course we globally have the new variant to deal with has thus far not shown up locally to me but like everything else it's only a matter of time. Just surprised at the increasing numbers which were decreasing.

Ron

Cases over time in the USA
https://covidestim.org/

It's the CV-19 2 month wave cycle combined with seasonal variation and immunity from all sources. The case rates North vs South in the USA is easy to see.
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1668533


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

 

Which color has few cases and which color has many cases?
Do states with many unvaccinated people have many hospital cases?
Do states with many vaccinated people have their cases with minor symptoms?
Do states with many cases have many people who recently visited Africa?