They say the number of "cases" but rarely say that the vaccinated cases are with minor symptoms. Almost ALL of the very serious infections that require hospitalization and maybe the ICU are with unvaccinated people.

 

So...it seems that regions with high vaccination rates also happen to be reporting some of the highest numbers of new Covid cases.



And indeed areas where the rate of vaccination approaches 100% the numbers are higher than almost anywhere else.



It's rather perplexing to say the least and most definitely deserves a much deeper look...

At the time of submission these was a valid assessment of the data. (paper was received 17th of August 2021).

It made the prediction that the numbers will keep rising.

But what has happened since early August?





It also didn't correct for the dispersion of covid-19 around the world is not even, some countries rarely get a case. And because there is no cases it is really hard to convince the population to rush out and get vaccinated.

So I wouldn't take the vaccination rate vs. Infection rate between different countries as a valid assessment of the effectiveness of the vaccination.

 

They say the number of "cases" but rarely say that the vaccinated cases are with minor symptoms. Almost ALL of the very serious infections that require hospitalization and maybe the ICU are with unvaccinated people.

Exactly. Current data shows that high vaccination rates works to reduce R0 below 1.0 when community spread is also low among the remaining non-vaccinated with no prior infection. The vaccine is very effective in reducing case rates, sickness and death but it can't carry the blame for people that never got the shot causing increasing case numbers.

Look at New England in the US for a good example of how the remaining non-vaxx's are increasing case rates.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...mics-vermont-d25aae90b2dda65b3d1c2c0d5d00156c

According to the AP data, full vaccination rates across the six New England states range from a high of 69.4% in Vermont to 61.5% in New Hampshire.

Despite the relatively high vaccination rates — the U.S. as a whole is averaging 55.5% — there are still hundreds of thousands of people across the region who, for one reason or another, remain unvaccinated and vulnerable to infection.

Now, a Rhode Island official said he didn’t think the 70% vaccination goal, once touted as the level that would help end the pandemic in the state, is enough.

“What we’ve learned with delta and looking beyond delta, is because that’s where our focus is as well, to really reach those levels of vaccination, to give you that true population level protection, you need to be in excess of 90%,” said Tom McCarthy, the executive director of the Rhode Island Department of Health COVID Response Unit.

 

In my largest province in Canada, over 82% of eligible people (no kids yet) are fully vaccinated and the case counts are low.
Almost all hospital cases and deaths are unvaccinated.
There are many successful mandates that block unvaccinated people from doing almost anything.

 

In my largest province in Canada, over 82% of eligible people (no kids yet) are fully vaccinated and the case counts are low.
Almost all hospital cases and deaths are unvaccinated.
There are many successful mandates that block unvaccinated people from doing almost anything.

Mandates are porous as they don't stop private behaviors between unvaccinated individuals. There's an entire underground economy that will be larger much if access to the public side to restricted to the point normal human interaction is prevented among the unvaccinated. It's one thing to push vaccination but yet another to shove vaccination because just because something is scientifically and legally right doesn't mean it's always the best way to handle people who resist. Some critical decisions on how serious mandates will be pushed at the US federal level will need to made soon, a overplayed hand, could be long-term, worst than the virus.

 

Colin Powell age 84.

He died of complications from Covid-19, his family said in a statement. He was fully vaccinated and was treated at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, his family said.

Granted he was 84 but my read is he was pretty healthy and in good physical condition. He was also fully vaccinated. While the odds are against developing serious complications for the fully vaccinated those odds certainly did not work out well for Powell, he is dead. Even the fully vaccinated run a risk of dying.

Ron

 

Covid-19 attacks the lungs and other organs. Maybe Colin Powell was a smoker. Maybe he did not wear a mask.
CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/15/health/cdc-covid-risk-higher-unvaccinated/index.html) says the Centers for Disease Control reports that "Throughout August, the risk of dying from Covid-19 was 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults in the United States". Then Covid-19 also kills a few fully vaccinated people.

Colin Powell died 8 years later than the Average American male's lifetime of 76.1 years old (simplyinsurance.com).
Hey! I am a 76 years old Canadian but I have never been to war and I have free healthcare.

 

Even the fully vaccinated run a risk of dying.

And that, risk of dying, was never a promise. It's not even a promise of any vaccine that I'm aware of.

 

But what has happened since early August?

Oh yeah, throw facts into the argument, so like you vax guys to do such a thing.

 

Colin Powell age 84.



Granted he was 84 but my read is he was pretty healthy and in good physical condition. He was also fully vaccinated. While the odds are against developing serious complications for the fully vaccinated those odds certainly did not work out well for Powell, he is dead. Even the fully vaccinated run a risk of dying.

Ron

He had a good run.

 

Sometimes the news is old. The link I posted is 3 days old but talked about 2 months ago.
This morning I looked at the blue sky but The Weather Network said it is raining here. It said it was updated 15 minutes ago.

 

Colin Powell died 8 years later than the Average American male's lifetime of 76.1 years old (simplyinsurance.com).
Hey! I am a 76 years old Canadian but I have never been to war and I have free healthcare.

There we go again with "free" healthcare. Nothing in healthcare is free. The working Canadians are paying and I only assume while working you paid taxes.
I guess at 92 my mother beat the odds? Some die young and some die old. While not a great idea to tempt fate when your number is up, your number is up. Matters not if it's COVID, the common flue, a cardiac or stepping in front of a semi.

As to Colin Powell matters not if he smoked or wore a mask, dead is dead. I thought wearing a mask was not to protect the person wearing the mask but those around them. Meaning I wear a mask not for my benefit but for the benefit of those around me plus I don't need people in my face pointing out I am not wearing a mask. Maybe someone around him wasn't wearing a mask?

He had a good run.
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Yes, a real good run. May as well have a good run and go out in style. Heck, I'll take 84 and be happy.

Ron

 

Get your "booster" if you have immune system issues and everybody else get fully vaccinated to protect those that need it.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10...19-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-was-deadly/

The tragic death of Gen. Colin Powell from COVID-19 reveals not the failure of vaccines – but the inability of his fragile immune system to protect him from those who are unvaccinated, according to one of the nation’s top health policy physicians.
“No matter how good our vaccines – if we have a raging forest fire of infections among unvaccinated It will spill over and kill vulnerable vaccinated folks,” wrote Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, on Twitter.
Powell, 84, the first Black U.S. secretary of state whose leadership helped shape American foreign policy, suffered from a form of white blood cell cancer, according to reports.
This cancer, called multiple myeloma, damages the immune system. So despite full vaccination, his body was unable to produce enough antibodies to fend off the COVID-19 virus.

 

The rest of the story:

There was more to why Colin Powell contracted COVID and subsequently died of COVID complications. While we know the vaccine works better on some than others...

• Colin Powell, 84, died Monday morning due to complications from Covid-19.
• Powell was fully vaccinated against the virus, his family said in a statement.
• Powell was elderly, a known risk for severe Covid, and suffered from multiple myeloma, a blood cancer that studies show can make the shots less effective.
• A study published in late July found that only 45% of patients with active multiple myeloma developed an "adequate" immune response after getting vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.
• Just 22% of patients in the study had a "partial" response.

People with weakened immune systems, including cancer and HIV patients or those who have had organ transplants, represent only about 2.7% of the U.S. adult population but make up about 44% of hospitalized Covid breakthrough cases, according to data presented by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in July. A breakthrough case is when a fully vaccinated individual becomes infected.

Wife and I plan the booster as soon as we are eligible. Figure the first two injections had no ill effects. Heck, a few days back I got the pneumonia vaccine at the VA (Veterans Affairs) and my arm was actually sore the next day, with the COVID vaccine there was nothing.

Ron

 

A study published in late July found that only 45% of patients with active multiple myeloma developed an "adequate" immune response after getting vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.

Hey Bob - Are you able to put up a link those studies?

 

Hey Bob - Are you able to put up a link those studies?

Bob? Who is Bob?

No, sorry as all I have was the link to the article. I did find this link in the article I linked to. Also, like most of this and other articles it beats me how to separate truth from fiction or some writer's pipe dreams.

Ron

 

Hey Bob - Are you able to put up a link those studies?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.08.21259776v1
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-07/07-COVID-Oliver-508.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html

I'm one of the immunocompromised (genetic) who got the 3rd shot when it was first authorized.

 

Bob? Who is Bob?

No, sorry as all I have was the link to the article. I did find this link in the article I linked to. Also, like most of this and other articles it beats me how to separate truth from fiction or some writer's pipe dreams.

Ron

Pretty nasty cancer type, had to look it up myself, no cure from what I gather and weakens cells that fight infections, COVID creates dead cells on top of an already compromised individual, who knows how long he had anyway. I know I have an expiration date, it didn’t get printed on my butt after the assembly line.

Blame my mother for that, my dad would tell you he had nothing to do with it.

kv

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...d-arrive-in-late-december-ohsu-forecasts.html

The worst could be over in the next two months – at least for the delta variant.

The strain on Oregon hospitals caused by the highly transmissible COVID-19 variant has already started to ease, according to data provided by the Oregon Health Authority. And a new forecast from Oregon Health & Science University concludes that the drop-off in hospitalizations will continue.

Because the variant now has fewer and fewer willing hosts in the state, another surge that would stretch hospitals to their limits probably isn’t in the cards.

 

"Because the virus has fewer hosts". The hosts are probably anti-vaxers. I looked it up to see that 62% of eligible people are fully vaccinated.
In my area of Ontario, Canada over 83% of eligible people are fully vaccinated.