looks like a steep increase vs other surges.

 

Lets see what lollapalooza does to those graphs in the coming months. Sharp uptick then decline?

https://abc7chicago.com/health/loll...fest-includes-new-mask-requirements/10921187/

The city hoped this would be a safe celebration, but case numbers in Chicago are creeping up.

Lolla organizers tweeted Thursday that more than 90% of people showed proof of vaccination, 8% brought negative COVID tests and 600 people didn't bring paperwork and were not allowed in.

kv

 

You need two pokes (vaccine doses) at least 4 weeks apart then 2 more weeks to have 90% to 96% immunity to prevent hospitalization or death if you catch a Covid infection. The infection will be very mild (most people will have no symptoms) and you will pass the virus to other people. Most unvaxxed people who catch a Covid infection will be hospitalized or die, many survivors have symptoms for the remainder of their life.

and the sad part is, that's not satire.

When they start offering a third poke I will get in that line

 

When unvaccinated people catch the Covid-19 virus then it is a lottery game for them to guess if they will get very sick, be hospitalized and have severe problems for the rest of their life or die. Then why don't they get fully vaccinated??
Do they have a "right" for suicide or to pass the virus around (which is called murder)?

My city has more than 80% of teens and adults fully vaccinated but the Delta variant of the virus is causing the very low case count to slowly rise. Hospitals have few Covid patients (all are unvaxxed) and are doing delayed operations now.

Today two people were fined $20,000 for landing at the airport with fake vaccination certificates and tests. Their "rights" will probably allow them to do it again and again if they are wealthy.

 

The definition of murder is "malice aforethought" so perhaps reckless endangerment.

 

I believe reckless endangerment covers that.

 

When unvaccinated people catch the Covid-19 virus then it is a lottery game for them to guess if they will get very sick, be hospitalized and have severe problems for the rest of their life or die. Then why don't they get fully vaccinated??
Do they have a "right" for suicide or to pass the virus around (which is called murder)?

My city has more than 80% of teens and adults fully vaccinated but the Delta variant of the virus is causing the very low case count to slowly rise. Hospitals have few Covid patients (all are unvaxxed) and are doing delayed operations now.

Today two people were fined $20,000 for landing at the airport with fake vaccination certificates and tests. Their "rights" will probably allow them to do it again and again if they are wealthy.

There are several major groups of the Coronavirus “unvaccinated” as distinct from vaccinations in general. The 'rights' (vocal anti-vax but 'maybe' in private), the 'religious' (traditional no-vax), the 'fearful' (maybe vax) and the general vocal anti-all-vaxx nutcases (don't waste your time).

IMO the 'rights' and the 'fearful' have considerable overlap with 'rights' as a cover for 'fear'.

Public and private policy accusing the truly fearful (IMO larger part) of the “unvaccinated” of criminal behaviors and stupidity is unlikely to convince them to get a shot even if it might make the vaxxed feel better in the short run. (I'm just as guilty of broadly demonizing the “unvaccinated”)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/07/unvaccinated-different-anti-vax/619523/

America Is Getting Unvaccinated People All Wrong
They’re not all anti-vaxxers, and treating them as such is making things worse.

Anti-vaxxers are incredibly vocal, and because of that, they’ve been a disproportionate focus of our vaccine outreach. But I think that they represent a small part of people in this country, and especially in our communities of color, an irrelevant part. In our work, we haven’t given much credence to their bluster. But the rampant disinformation that’s put out by this minority has shaped our public discourse, and has led to this collective vitriol toward the “unvaccinated” as if they are predominantly a group of anti-vaxxers. The people we’re really trying to move are not.

I’ve never thought of it that way. We’re used to thinking of anti-vaxxers as sowing distrust about vaccines. But you’re arguing that they’ve also successfully sown distrust about unvaccinated people, many of whom are now harder to reach because they’ve been broadly demonized.

 

As people who are helping to create new COVID 19 mutations maybe they should be demonized. COVID-19 does not need the help.

 

As people who are helping to create new COVID 19 mutations maybe they should be demonized. COVID-19 does not need the help.

The true Anti-vaxxers that are using fear and propaganda on the unvaccinated should be demonized but generalizing (a large fraction of the fearful unvaccinated are taking the threat seriously, wearing masks and social distancing) the unvaccinated does not help in the overall goal of increasing rates of vaccination. For the unmotivated or unconcerned maybe a $100 or a 'free' bag of weed will work to get them vaccinated.

Private and state-level public mandates are the way to higher vaxx rates. I don't want Grandpa on Wantons Mountain forced to get a shot but his children and grandchildren can chose to be tested weekly at work/school or provide evidence of vaccination legally and respectfully.

 

As people who are helping to create new COVID 19 mutations maybe they should be demonized. COVID-19 does not need the help.

Keep in mind that there are many people in this world who cannot get vaccinated. Sometimes is a matter of poor planning (on the part of the governments) or unfortunate circumstances and sometimes they are sick or frail and susceptible to dying from a reaction.

Now the good news: If there really is a "variant D" * and there is any accuracy to what those who are supposed to know say, it is very contagious and is less likely to kill people than the "original" version. This, or perhaps the next one, may turn out to be a self-propagating vaccinator.

*I hear a lot said about it but have not been able to pin down whether anybody is performing a test to determine which variant a sample comes from. I am pretty sure the FDA in the U.S. has not approved a test for the variant. Does anybody have any information about where, if anywhere, testing to determine the variant is being done?

 

The Delta variant is the Indian virus that caused millions of cases there starting last December. There is absolutely no scientific doubt it exists and scientifically valid tests (genome sequencing) exist to detect it reliably. I don't think there is any evidence that it's more or less likely to kill in each individual case but because it very contagious there are more cases in X population with the normal distribution of sickness and death that depend on the type of population affected. 98% of all infection cases including delta infections cases are in the unvaccinated. A small number of the vaccinated cases (the 2%) will have COVID-19 related symtoms that are mostly mild and a very small fraction of those will get very sick or die.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid


https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...-mask-guidance-is-mostly-about-protecting-the

NIH director: Mask guidance is 'mostly about protecting the unvaccinated'

Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), said on Sunday that the new mask guidance released last week urging fully vaccinated people to wear a face covering indoors in coronavirus hotspots is “mostly about protecting the unvaccinated.”

“Can you clear this up, do most vaccinated Americans need to wear mask indoors in order to protect themselves and other vaccinated Americans, or is this primarily about protecting unvaccinated Americans, including children under 12 or people who are refusing to get vaccinated?” host Jake Tapper asked Collins on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“It’s mostly about protecting the unvaccinated, that’s where the real serious risks of illness are,” Collins responded.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/31/...breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

More than 99.999% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country's best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering.
The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.


Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.
Most of the breakthrough cases -- about 74% -- occurred among adults 65 or older.

 

Of course I'm getting this from the Evening News, the delta variant in addition to being more contagious is also deadlier.

 

Does anybody have any information about where, if anywhere, testing to determine the variant is being done?

Nope. Several post ago I mentioned my sister who while vaccinated months ago, maybe around April / May timeframe tested positive for COVID. She did quarantine herself. They did explain upon her positive test that they, with the test they performed, could not tell her which variant but it seems with new cases of those vaccinated they "assume" the D variant. Also worth noting is that my other sister had just spent over 12 hours with her in close quarters, in a car, from New Jersey to Ohio and the person they were visiting, who is also vaccinated, has shown no symptoms at all. My last read was about 1 in 5 new cases are people who were previously vaccinated. I have no clue what extent of lab work need be performed to determined the COVID strain.

The CDC seems to come out with revision levels to what they said the day before. The evening news or morning news (radio, TV or Internet) for those who prefer really depends on what we watch and where they get their information from. The CDC can only make recommendations and that is about as good as it gets. People can choose to ignore or follow those recommendations, the same is true of the states issuing mandates.

Finally trying to force vaccination simply will not fly. Moaning about the un vaccinated or for that matter demonizing them is not going to change anything. They can't be strapped to a gurney and vaccinated against their will so get over it.

Ron

 

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...ible/281-8accb0db-8e3f-492b-8c5b-39948d1ec9bf
Delta variant is more transmissible, but not enough data to prove it’s more deadly

"There's no evidence that it's more deadly,” said Corey. “There is evidence that it's more infectious and more infectious to others, i.e., more transmissible. But [is it] actually more severe? There's really not good hard evidence of that."
A study by scientists in Scotland found that hospitalizations were doubled when comparing the delta variant to the alpha. A study of hamsters in India showed it took less of the delta variant to infect the animals than other variants of the virus.
But humans do not always respond the same as rodents. And while the Scottish study was peer-reviewed and published in a scientific journal, many of these studies are not. The hamster study in India literally comes with an asterisk emphasizing it should “not be reported as conclusive.”
In the end, there is not enough evidence to verify that the delta variant is any more deadly than its predecessors. However, there is plenty of data that proves getting vaccinated is the best way to protect yourself from the virus.
As Corey, Dr. Anthony Fauci, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, and many other health officials have said: 99.5% of the people now dying from COVID-19 are unvaccinated.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/06/coronavirus-evolution-virulence/619301/

Why No One Is Sure If Delta Is Deadlier
The variants are spreading faster, but they don’t necessarily have incentive to kill more often.

A more contagious virus might, at first pass, seem like a deadlier virus: Its enhanced invasion capabilities might allow it to grip more tightly onto its host, building up to levels high enough to overwhelm the body. “In that case, you could have transmissibility and virulence increasing in lockstep,” Paul Turner, an evolutionary biologist and virologist at Yale, told me—a neat, simple story. Some researchers have hypothesized that this could be the narrative behind the Alpha and Delta variants, both of which have been linked to bumps in hospitalization. But those patterns haven’t yet been conclusively nailed down, Turner said, and no evidence so far suggests that the coronavirus is systematically evolving to become more malicious. Viruses are microscopic entities hungry for spread, not carnage; the suffering of their host is not an imperative for them to persist. If a surge in virulence happens, it’s often incidental—collateral damage from an increase in contagiousness.

The march toward transmissibility doesn’t always drag virulence along. Many people have been found to silently carry tons of SARS-CoV-2 in their airways to no ill effect. On occasion, the two traits can even butt heads, forcing viruses to become tamer over time in service of speedier spread. The hypervirulent myxoma virus, a pathogen deliberately introduced into Australian rabbits in the 1950s as a form of biocontrol, for instance, appears to have become less lethal over time. Instead of killing rabbits instantly, it began to prolong its hosts’ sickness—and by extension, its own infectious window.

 

I think I posted this before about worldwide variant tracking but here it is again.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/north-america?f_region=North America&l=clock

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global?l=clock&regression=hide

This phylogeny shows evolutionary relationships of SARS-CoV-2 viruses from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. Although the genetic relationships among sampled viruses are quite clear, there is considerable uncertainty surrounding estimates of specific transmission dates and in reconstruction of geographic spread. Please be aware that specific inferred geographic transmission patterns and temporal estimates are only a hypothesis.

There are millions of complete SARS-CoV-2 genomes available and this number increases every day. This visualization can only handle ~4000 genomes in a single view for performance and legibility reasons. Because of this we subsample available genome data for these analysis views. Our primary global analysis subsamples to ~600 genomes per continental region with ~400 from the previous 4 months and ~200 from before this. This results in a more equitable global sequence distribution, but hides samples available from regions that are doing lots of sequencing. To mitigate against this, we've set up separate analyses to focus on particular regions. They are available on the "Dataset" dropdown on the left or by clicking on the following links: Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, Oceania and South America.

 

When unvaccinated people catch the Covid-19 virus then it is a lottery game for them to guess if they will get very sick, be hospitalized and have severe problems for the rest of their life or die. Then why don't they get fully vaccinated??
Do they have a "right" for suicide or to pass the virus around (which is called murder)?

If I'm allowed to play devil's advocate for a second?
Some look at it as a thrown together in a couple of months, none tested vaccine. We were told its like the flu, then it's worse, kids don't need it, now they do. When the people your suppose to rely on to protect you from this stuff change their minds everyday on different points and then you see them fighting over which one is right it makes some wonder should they put something in their body they haven't been told what's all in it.
Edit: If you get it and still need a mask what good was it?

 

We were told its like the flu,

Remember who told you that, you may have trusted him but the majority of the country didn't/don't.

If you get it and still need a mask what good was it?

It isn't and never was meant to completely keep you from getting an infection. Only to make it not as deadly.

 

The vaccine prevents you from being hospitalized and maybe having severe problems for the rest of your life or from dying.
The mask prevents you from catching the virus and for preventing you from spreading the virus to others but if you are vaccinated you might not even know you have the virus.
There are millions of unvaccinated people in a few wealthy countries who are are "playing a lottery game with their lives" or are in countries that cannot afford to buy the vaccine so they will be spreading the virus around for a few years until they die or until we give away the vaccine to them.

Why does a mask kill you??