I understand what you are saying, but it's not exactly true, Diabetes can be very painful for the family and friends, and addiction can land a family in poverty or worse.

So can Covid. I saw a great, but sad, story of families that lost their primary breadwinner or families where the primary breadwinner became unemployed with his unvaccinated employer bit it because if Covid and the whole business closed.

talk about poverty. The dad of 4 worked 20 years for this guy who "gave him a chance". The dad had no college degree, only on-the-job training - worked up through manufacturing and most recently tech support. Now the business owner is dead, company closed, no reasonable resume because no education and only experience making and advising about some obscure industrial product. 4-kids to send to college and salary was too high last year to qualify for financial aid for the first two kids. He's applying at Costco and Walmart just to get health insurance.

 

So is lack of education, housing and food. But see no one breaking their a$$ to end that either.

We lost the Great Society's "War on Poverty" in the 60's same as the "War on Drugs" in the 80's after throwing God only knows how many tax dollars at them. This is skating too close to politics for my liking... We discovered that throwing enormous amounts of money at social issues does not solve them much less change societies thinking. Kinda the more we throw the more we find we need to throw ad infinitum. Money is not the solution to many of society's ills. Just look around at all the well to do idiots and drug users!

 

We will all need to be re-vaxxed because the xxxxx unvaxxed people will continue to spread the virus all around.

I call baloney in light of recent news. The above may be true when a more effective vaccine is found. In a recent news report about 40% of those hospitalized with the dreaded virus had already been vaccinated. We do need to take into account that this statistic does not account for how long those patients had been vaccinated before coming down with severe infections. The stuff is not as magic as the main stream media makes it out to be. We really do need a vaccine that works as well as the pharmaceutical companies would have us believe the current offerings can deliver.

 

Unfortunately, unvaccinated people are breeding grounds for new variations. This truth brings it into the realm of public interest. You have the right to swing your fist, but not where my nose is (paraphrasing an old Supreme Court decision). I really don't wanna get sick because something that could work around my immunization happens.

 

Unfortunately, unvaccinated people are breeding grounds for new variations. This truth brings it into the realm of public interest. You have the right to swing your fist, but not where my nose is (paraphrasing an old Supreme Court decision). I really don't wanna get sick because something that could work around my immunization happens.

I agree, we get need to get shots into people. What's happening locally is that cities like Portland (about as left coast as it gets) don't want to mandate vaccinate for city employees.

"spokesperson for the city said requiring employees to be vaccinated would go against the city’s core values"

https://www.kptv.com/news/change-of...6-11eb-aee2-5b81df62bcf6.html?block_id=994431

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - A pretty dramatic change of course for the city of Portland when it comes to requiring employees to be vaccinated. The city is now working on a plan to require employees to either show proof of vaccination or be tested weekly for COVID-19.

This is similar to a policy announced this week in New York City. Not a vaccine requirement, per se, because it does offer employees another option.

 

I call baloney in light of recent news. The above may be true when a more effective vaccine is found. In a recent news report about 40% of those hospitalized with the dreaded virus had already been vaccinated. We do need to take into account that this statistic does not account for how long those patients had been vaccinated before coming down with severe infections. The stuff is not as magic as the main stream media makes it out to be. We really do need a vaccine that works as well as the pharmaceutical companies would have us believe the current offerings can deliver.

Exactly

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...ccine-asymptomatic-transmission-pfizer-trial/

 

Are America's unvaccinated changing their minds?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-58017289

Come to the US if you want a shot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-58004253

 

https://news.yahoo.com/u-ks-delta-w...he-same-thing-happen-in-the-us-090008129.html

After surging for months because of the hypercontagious Delta variant, COVID-19 cases in the United Kingdom are rapidly plummeting, raising the question of whether America’s Delta wave could also peak sooner than expected.

“In the United Kingdom … cases are clearly coming down at this point,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner, told CNBC on Monday. “If the U.K. is turning the corner, it’s a pretty good indication that maybe we’re further into this than we think, and maybe we’re two or three weeks away from starting to see our own plateau here in the United States.”

The result may be a new kind of virtuous cycle. Mass vaccination builds a big foundation of immunity. Delta rapidly adds lots of new “natural immunity,” especially now that many people aren’t masking and distancing anymore. And together they could lower the bar for reversing a wave.

 

I noticed that the Yahoo article in post #5649 says that the Covid case count rose in the UK over the last month because the lockdown was opened and allowed people to crowd into pubs to pass the virus around by watching and cheering the soccer games.
Then the article said the case count is dropping quickly recently because the vaxxed (and recovered Covid illness) gave 92% of the people with antibodies.

Some places in North America have NOBODY who have had the vaccine, but many there who have the virus.

 

We lost the Great Society's "War on Poverty" in the 60's same as the "War on Drugs" in the 80's after throwing God only knows how many tax dollars at them.

While what you say is true, I'm not talking about throwing money at anyone. It's all about getting a "free" vaccine and wearing a mask, until this gets solved. And if everyone in the world gets a vaccine, or stops travel to or from places that don't, it will work it's way out of the infectious pandemic. Just like many of the other highly infectious diseases over history did.

 

Today, the news says that Israel is offering a 3rd dose of vaccine to oldies.
I should need a 3rd dose sometime between October and December.
The news says that today, only 0.7% of Covid hospital cases here are vaccinated.

 

I'm looking forward to a 3rd pfizer boost also ... it's been about 6 weeks since my second shot. I figure that about three more months should be an adequate time for it.

 

I noticed that the Yahoo article in post #5649 says that the Covid case count rose in the UK over the last month because the lockdown was opened and allowed people to crowd into pubs to pass the virus around by watching and cheering the soccer games.
Then the article said the case count is dropping quickly recently because the vaxxed (and recovered Covid illness) gave 92% of the people with antibodies.

Some places in North America have NOBODY who have had the vaccine, but many there who have the virus.

The virus is responding to environmental pressures. It takes extra energy to reinfect people with antibodies from any source. The universe is lazy and each more contagious variant is burning energy at both ends of the candle to infect the low-laying fruit by wasting replications in the vaccinated and previously infected. I expect the latest wave to be shorter than most models predict because of the past history of case dips when the models say cases should increase.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421071571091869696

Interesting article that may change some of our notions about COVID. From The Morning by David Leonhardt, published July 30, 2021.
This article can be found by searching for "The Morning" on the NYTimes website.

Not in control

Consider these Covid-19 mysteries:
• In India — where the Delta variant was first identified and caused a huge outbreak — cases have plunged over the past two months. A similar drop may now be underway in Britain. There is no clear explanation for these declines.
• In the U.S., cases started falling rapidly in early January. The decline began before vaccination was widespread and did not follow any evident changes in Americans’ Covid attitudes.
• In March and April, the Alpha variant helped cause a sharp rise in cases in the upper Midwest and Canada. That outbreak seemed poised to spread to the rest of North America — but did not.
• This spring, caseloads were not consistently higher in parts of the U.S. that had relaxed masking and social distancing measures (like Florida and Texas) than in regions that remained vigilant.
• Large parts of Africa and Asia still have not experienced outbreaks as big as those in Europe, North America and South America.

How do we solve these mysteries? Michael Osterholm, who runs an infectious disease research center at the University of Minnesota, suggests that people keep in mind one overriding idea: humility.

“We’ve ascribed far too much human authority over the virus,” he told me.

‘Much, much milder’
Over the course of this pandemic, I have found one of my early assumptions especially hard to shake. It’s one that many other people seem to share — namely, that a virus always keeps spreading, eventually infecting almost the entire population, unless human beings take actions to stop it. And this idea does have crucial aspects of truth. Social distancing and especially vaccination can save lives.

But much of the ebb and flow of a pandemic cannot be explained by changes in human behavior. That was true with influenza a century ago, and it is true with Covid now. An outbreak often fizzles mysteriously, like a forest fire that fails to jump from one patch of trees to another.

 

Time for some cheerful satire humor. Posted purely as satire so any resemblance to truth is pure coincidence. You have been warned!


ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
…
ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?

Ron

 

Time for some cheerful satire humor. Posted purely as satire so any resemblance to truth is pure coincidence. You have been warned!


ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
…
ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?

Ron

Satire humor? I don't get it.

 

You need two pokes (vaccine doses) at least 4 weeks apart then 2 more weeks to have 90% to 96% immunity to prevent hospitalization or death if you catch a Covid infection. The infection will be very mild (most people will have no symptoms) and you will pass the virus to other people. Most unvaxxed people who catch a Covid infection will be hospitalized or die, many survivors have symptoms for the remainder of their life.

 

You need two pokes (vaccine doses) at least 4 weeks apart then 2 more weeks to have 90% to 96% immunity to prevent hospitalization or death if you catch a Covid infection. The infection will be very mild (most people will have no symptoms) and you will pass the virus to other people. Most unvaxxed people who catch a Covid infection will be hospitalized or die, many survivors have symptoms for the remainder of their life.

Maybe not "most" must 1% is still a lot of hospitalizations and 0.2% of the US population dead from the virus and many more who were not officially diagnosed likely had the virus/died from the virus as well. In a year or two, the data will finally be available to see the number of excess deaths per year (per month) vs a well-established baseline. So many myths out on the web about Covid only killing people who were about to die in nursing homes to imply covid is really not that bad, or made up or ? And, in the same breath, complain that the Chinese are responsible for all the deaths, and complain about another shopper in the grocery store is wearing their mask wrong.

 

 

You need two pokes (vaccine doses) at least 4 weeks apart then 2 more weeks to have 90% to 96% immunity to prevent hospitalization or death if you catch a Covid infection. The infection will be very mild (most people will have no symptoms) and you will pass the virus to other people. Most unvaxxed people who catch a Covid infection will be hospitalized or die, many survivors have symptoms for the remainder of their life.

We need to clear what's being reported.

Most unvaxxed people who catch a coronavirus infection (the cases count) will be OK. COVID-19 is the name of the sickness from a coronavirus infection.
Some percentage of total cases will get sick with COVID-19, some of total percentage those that get sick will require hospitalization and some percentage of those that require hospitalization will die.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Cases: 66,606 Current 7-Day Average
Hospitalizations: 5,475 Current 7-Day Average
Deaths: 296 Current 7-Day Average

 

If the Delta variant spreads just as easily among vaccinated and unvaccinated then vaccine passports are useless as a containment tool.