Nothing wrong with asking/wondering.

Agreed. And sorry for being bitter..

EDIT: even more so. Kudos to your son for signing up. Even if he doesn't go military it's a worthy statement to be ready to serve. It is incumbent on the rest of us to be worthy of that statement.

 

While they ask about are you experiencing... list of symptoms, they don't ask if we are vaccinated. Never gave it much thought till just now.

The latest from the CDC says that Covid testing of Vaxed folks is unnecessary but apparently Mayo disagrees with them for invasive procedures. The little girl at the desk got all bent outta shape with me once when after standing and listening to her flirt with some guy I walked on past them after a minute or so, and she went nutso on me screaming at me. I explained to her that I was Vaxed but it made no difference to her since I was not abiding by her protocol. Ah well...
On another note, I had to go in this morning for an upper endoscopy procedure to see if I was bleeding due to a recent blood test showing me well below the minimum values for iron and such in my blood test. Highly anemic and requiring two IV iron infusions plus ASAP endo and colonoscopies. Very invasive procedures but the outpatient surgical clinic my Internist runs did not require a CV test and only asked the required screening questions and took my temperature. Didn't even ask about Vaxed but did require masking to enter their surgical center.

 

The US based non-masker and non-vaxxer are IMO barking up the wrong tree with their freedom cries.

Kinda like No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service. It's a private business and if you don't like their rules, you are free to leave!

 

" Plague vaccine contains 2,000 million formaldehyde-killed plague bacilli per milliliter of sodium chloride solution. Other ingredients are 0.04 per cent formalin, 0.5 per cent phenol, and trace amounts of beef heart extract, yeast extract, agar, peptones, and peptides of soya and casein."

Very similar to Embalming Fluid!

 

Didn't even ask about Vaxed but did require masking to enter their surgical center.

I would look for another clinic and internist. Did he bother washing his hands before the procedure? After?

Note that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US - pretty low at Mayo-Rochester, MN - most other places like your surgical center probably not making anything public.

 

" Plague vaccine contains 2,000 million formaldehyde-killed plague bacilli per milliliter of sodium chloride solution. Other ingredients are 0.04 per cent formalin, 0.5 per cent phenol, and trace amounts of beef heart extract, yeast extract, agar, peptones, and peptides of soya and casein."

Very similar to Embalming Fluid!

No, the formaldehyde-killed bacilli were killed with formaldehyde, it is not formaldehyde. The trace ingredients of "formalin" (37% formaldehyde in water solution) is 0.04%. Embalming fluid is a bit more concentrated than that! Probably 20% formaldehyde.

 

I would look for another clinic and internist. Did he bother washing his hands before the procedure? After?

When I had my cancerous kidney removed at Mayo, which has the lowest post-operative infection rate in the world, I was the guy who got the Surgical Site Staph Infection. Nasty mess that had to be opened, cleaned, packed, and drained. I still go to Mayo for Oncology screening after kidney and prostate cancer, Transplant Department evaluation for possible liver transplant (doesn't look like I need one at this point), and Nephrology department follow-ups for stage 3 kidney disease in my remaining kidney. I've had worse results from Mayo than my Internist (Mayo does not treat liver disease and only does transplants in Jax requiring me to travel 60 miles up to Savannah to the regional top internist). About 30 miles closer to Savannah than Jax.

 

The loss of actual freedom should always be a worry.

Exactly, in your view' is the freedom being given up by requiring everyone to get a vaccine? Or for that matter to wear a mask indoors when other people are present?

My wife is a cancer patient

And if she decided to not take her treatment, that's her right. Because she isn't contagious. And I'm not being mean in saying this because my wife is on dialysis and she has the right to not do that too. But when something is an air born contagion, that is a whole nother matter.

People have the right to control what only effects them, but not to make it effect others. To bring something else into this that I think you brought up, is opioids. If it wasn't you that brought it up I apologize, but it has been injected into this thread a few times. You were saying that more should be done about opioid deaths, by your outlook on freedom to chose shouldn't those that chose to overdose be allowed?

 

Please tell that to my next door neighbor, who forces me to breath their second hand cigar/pot/cigarette smoke.

And that nasty BBQ smoke that comes in my back window.

 

Please tell that to my next door neighbor, who forces me to breath their second hand cigar/pot/cigarette smoke.

Gotta move out to the country and get some "Elbow Room" from the neighbors. At least a couple of acres should do it.

 

Exactly, in your view' is the freedom being given up by requiring everyone to get a vaccine? Or for that matter to wear a mask indoors when other people are present?



And if she decided to not take her treatment, that's her right. Because she isn't contagious. And I'm not being mean in saying this because my wife is on dialysis and she has the right to not do that too. But when something is an air born contagion, that is a whole nother matter.

People have the right to control what only effects them, but not to make it effect others. To bring something else into this that I think you brought up, is opioids. If it wasn't you that brought it up I apologize, but it has been injected into this thread a few times. You were saying that more should be done about opioid deaths, by your outlook on freedom to chose shouldn't those that chose to overdose be allowed?

Look, I agree but I still have to defend the rights of those who say no. OK, here in Ohio, this mornings news. They pointed out a few counties with high rates of infection. Here I expected poorer and less educated but not quite. You know here in Ohio we have a high Amish population and apparently they, based on religion depending on sect, have a distaste for modern medicine. Pretty sure Jehovah's Witness also fall into a religion thing.

All of this aside exactly how can people be forced? I mean do we strap them to a gurney and inject them? So while either of our wives can easily refuse treatment how could people literally be forced to get vaccinated? I have no clue how it could be done. Also morning news, apparently New York at their government vaccination sites are paying people $100 to get vaccinated. Wonder how that will pan out?

Anyway I thought it sort of odd that at the hospitals we visit (University Hospital Med Net) they take your temperature and ask a canned list of symptom questions but no mention of if we are vaccinated? Strange.



Ron

 

Conversation about action of others and their effects will become endless.

Diabetes is an overlooked epidemic. It burdens healthcare, clogs the hospitals and causes thousands of deaths every year (in Canada last year more deaths would be attributed to diabetes than to Covid). Many of diabetes cases are preventable and diabetes is fairly easily managed in most cases as well. So, how do you deal with people who fail to manage their disease? Or who got it because of their life style? Yes it is not contageous, but in countries with public healthcare it affects everyone.

As my final comment to the vaccine - this vaccine was never aimed to stop infection from being transmitted and that is a major flaw rarely discussed. So, how many booster shots will anyone be taking?

Hindsite is always 20/20.

 

New York at their government vaccination sites are paying people $100 to get vaccinated. Wonder how that will pan out?

Hell for an extra hundred to blow I might just get re-Vaxed! LOL!

 

We will all need to be re-vaxxed because the xxxxx unvaxxed people will continue to spread the virus all around.

 

We will all need to be re-vaxxed because the xxxxx unvaxxed people will continue to spread the virus all around.

You may want to look up history of polio vaccines again how they were/are used and their differences.

 

Hell for an extra hundred to blow I might just get re-Vaxed! LOL!

Same here and with current inflation that hundred will buy just about a case of good beer. Pretty sure beer thwarts off the virus.

Ron

 

Diabetes is an overlooked epidemic.

That yet again is what I've been told by a truthiness member is called a,"strawman". Just like the opioid one. Can you catch either diabetes or opioid addiction from the person standing too close to you at a market or restaurant? Those are things that only the person effected by them will suffer from, sad to say that but it's the cold stone truth.

 

That yet again is what I've been told by a truthiness member is called a,"strawman". Just like the opioid one. Can you catch either diabetes or opioid addiction from the person standing too close to you at a market or restaurant? Those are things that only the person effected by them will suffer from, sad to say that but it's the cold stone truth.

Healthcare is funded by taxes. Diabetes costs and overdose costs burden healthcare system that taxes pay for.

Unhealthy life styles are contageous in many ways.

COVID is a drop in a bucket of many ongoing issues. I just would like to know what it has been made into what it became when there are so many more problems to choose from

 

COVID is a drop in a bucket of many ongoing issues. I just would like to know what it has been made into what it became when there are so many more problems to choose from

So is lack of education, housing and food. But see no one breaking their a$$ to end that either.

 

That yet again is what I've been told by a truthiness member is called a,"strawman". Just like the opioid one. Can you catch either diabetes or opioid addiction from the person standing too close to you at a market or restaurant? Those are things that only the person effected by them will suffer from, sad to say that but it's the cold stone truth.

I understand what you are saying, but it's not exactly true, Diabetes can be very painful for the family and friends, and addiction can land a family in poverty or worse.