As per google:
While copper has been shown to have many antimicrobial properties and coronavirus has been shown to die faster on copper than most other surfaces, it can still last on copper surfaces such as pennies, teakettles, cookware, etc for around 4 hours.

 

@peterdeco clearly had some information (see post above).

Given the dimensions of corona viruses (viuri?) dimensions, It might require many layers of a tight weave.

 

hi Dick,
I understand that research shows that a copper surface kills the virus almost immediately.

I was considering trying a face mask that has a copper mesh [ pan scrubber ] washable insert.

Do you have any information on the copper claim.?

E

Hi Eric,

Yeah that's why i am laminating the whole place with copper foil

But hey i got face masks with activated carbon (or is it charcoal). The thing is, i am not sure they designed them right because the carbon insert does not take up the full area of the mask, only near the center covering only about 50 percent of the inside surface area.

 

@peterdeco clearly had some information (see post above).

Given the dimensions of corona viruses (viuri?) dimensions, It might require many layers of a tight weave.

I was hoping static charge would attract them to the surface of the mask even if they were smaller than the spaces in the mask mesh. I guess there is no guarantee that will happen.

 

Al, I recall your previous trip to CA. My read is you are going to totally stress yourself out worrying about this. My sister after a month floating around in the Pacific was finally allowed to disembark in San Diego. She finally got a flight to Atlanta and eventually Columbus, Ohio. Problem was her flights were about empty. Everyone was freaking out over this COVID virus. You may want to check and see if the airlines are practicing social distancing? While I can appreciate your west coast friend wanting or needing company I just can't see the logic of you jumping into harms way. Has she given any thought to your well being and safety?

A final option is it's summertime and when I was young my best time NYC to LA was a little over 3 days driving it. Anything else is going to have an inherent risk factor. Hell even driving has a risk factor. If you can get comfortable with the idea of flying then by all means go for it but personally I would just tell her to exercise patience. There is no easy way around the possibility of infection unless you manage to place yourself in a giant bubble.

Ron

 

From a double-blind study of remdesivir given to hospitalized patients. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

"those who received remdesivir had a median recovery time of 11 days .... as compared with 15 days ... in those who received placebo" "estimates of mortality by 14 days were 7.1% with remdesivir and 11.9% with placebo "

My thoughts are:

1) $3,000 is cheap if it saves patients four days in a hospital. Insurance companies would cough it up in a heartbeat.
2) Would you write a check for $3,000 if it reduced your chance of death from 11.9% to 7.1% while laying in a hospital bed surrounded by people with Covid-19 going to the ICU and probable intubation?

 

Been away a few hours. Wonder whether Coppertone will protect you?

 

From a friend of mine, who resides in the Houston area:

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https://www.khou.com/article/news/h...data/285-12446283-4afc-46be-b5ba-a401bfe5ff14

HOUSTON — While Houston's base level of ICU beds is nearly full, doctors say there are hundreds more beds available that can be repurposed into ICU beds if COVID-19 cases surge.
The latest Texas Medical Center data shows 1,294 patients occupying ICU beds out of the total 1,330 base level of ICU beds. Four-hundred and sixty (460) of those patients have COVID-19, which is 35 percent. Ninety-seven (97) percent of those base level ICU beds are occupied.

"That's what happens normally in hospitals. They're at their full capacity and when it gets crowded, they add additional beds, ventilators, and staff so you get the same quality of care," Dr. James McDeavitt, senior vice-president and dean of Clinical Affairs for Baylor College of Medicine, said.

 

HOUSTON — While Houston's base level of ICU beds is nearly full, doctors say there are hundreds more beds available that can be repurposed into ICU beds if COVID-19 cases surge.

I agree. That is typical. As for being at 104% capacity, that depends on how they are counted. I am familiar with one medical center in PA where being above 100% was not unusual, but patients were still admitted, and there were vacant beds.

How can that happen? Assume the official discharge time is 11:00 AM (it varies). A doctor makes rounds at 6:00 AM and discharges a patient. Very few patients refuse to leave a hospital once they are discharged. Most are dressed and waiting when the doctor arrives. A new patient comes in at 9:00 AM and is admitted to the same room. Now, if the census is taken before 11:00 AM, it will show two patients in the same bed. There are variations on that.

 

When filling a glass and it's overflowing, is the glass 102% full? More obsession with numbers with no understanding what they mean.

 

When filling a glass and it's overflowing, is the glass 102% full? More obsession with numbers with no understanding what they mean.

100% full and 2% over flow + or - .000001% after sitting for 24 hrs due to evaporation of unknown liquid and Temp.

kv

 

More obsession with numbers with no understanding what they mean.

Indeed! A phenomenon akin to --and all too often wholly describable as-- media 'spin' -- IOW agreed!

Wake me up when 2020 ends!

Best regards
HP

 

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/healt...re-partying-hard-and-spreading-the-virus-fast

Covid-19 is increasingly a disease of the young, with the message to stay home for the sake of older loved ones wearing off as the pandemic wears on.

The dropping age of the infected is becoming one of the most pressing problems for local officials, who continued Wednesday to set curfews and close places where the young gather. U.S. health experts say that they are more likely to be active and asymptomatic, providing a vast redoubt for the coronavirus that has killed almost 130,000 Americans.

In Arizona, half of all positive cases are people from the ages of 20 to 44, according to state data. The median age in Florida is 37, down from 65 in March. In Texas’s Hays County, people in their 20s make up 50% of the victims.

These are the people we temporarily stopped from being infected at the cost of trillions for several months in some mistaken belief we could alter human nature once their 'freedom was restored. IMO it would have been far better (at the end of the pandemic) for this group to just be infected at the start of the pandemic while we protected the old and at risk with effective isolation (this failed in Sweden) until this part of the wave was done.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xpert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

In its emailed comment on Friday, the WHO said “there are several very positive trends in Sweden, notably, a continued decrease in new cases presenting with severe disease, a gradual decrease in patients admitted into intensive care since April, and continued decreasing numbers of new Covid-19 deaths.”

https://judithcurry.com/2020/06/28/the-progress-of-the-covid-19-epidemic-in-sweden-an-analysis/

Conclusions

Notwithstanding that a month ago antibodies were only detected in 6.3% of the Swedish population, the declining death rate since mid-May strongly suggests that the herd immunity threshold had been surpassed in the three largest regions, and in Sweden as a whole, by the end of April.

In the absence of a change in trends, it seems likely that the epidemic will peter out after a thousand or so more deaths, implying an overall infection fatality rate of 0.06% of the population (0.04% excluding COVID-19 deaths of people in care homes). This is broadly comparable to excess deaths from influenza infections over two successive above-average seasons, such as 2016–17 plus 2017–18.[17]

The absence of a lockdown order, with the government largely trusting people to make their own individual decisions regarding their behaviour, informed by their particular circumstances, has enabled life to continue with less disruption and reduction of people’s autonomy in Sweden than in most other western European countries. While this has also meant that COVID-19 deaths to date have been higher than in some (but not all) other countries in which a lockdown was imposed, the wider spread of the epidemic in Sweden means that the future COVID-19 outlook there is better.

The herd immunity threshold is likely lower at present than it would be if people were behaving completely normally; it may also be seasonally lower. However, the continuing spread of infections since the peak of the epidemic, particularly among young people, should provide some margin of safety against its resurging when behaviour returns closer to normal and summer ends. That is, there is less risk of a second wave of the epidemic next winter. And if a second wave occurs, fewer measures should be needed to control it than in other countries.

 

That last link is quite interesting, particularly Figures 2 and 3. Despite the increasing number of cases in the 10-19 age group (Figure 2), deaths in the group (Figure 3) are remain low.

Just for reference, here is an early comment about Sweden's response: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200501/sweden-sticks-with-controversial-covid19-approach

 

Breakdown by age is quite interesting. Check out the details for Canada:

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html



Further breakdown of associated comorbidities for those age groups would be helpful as well as clearly this virus attacks those who are already compromised in another way.

The approach taken to "fight" it is completely backwards and indicative of lack of preparedness, awareness and is being driven by polics

 

I assume the 80+ were treated at home or in nursing homes? Do you know the criteria for not admitting an 80+ to the hospital or ICU?

 

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I assume the 80+ were treated at home or in nursing homes? Do you know the criteria for not admitting an 80+ to the hospital or ICU?

Highest number of cases for over 80 were outbrakes in long term care facilities. I am trying to find a good analysis of what happened, but things are still being digested...

Here is one summary

https://business.financialpost.com/...-real-story-of-long-term-care-covid-19-deaths

Essentially all LTC went private. They get very little oversite. While the article states do not blame the provider... In BC, they are run by chinese companies. Cost of housing is very expensive, employees are understaffed, underpayed, and underqualified. What are the chances that the staff would call for timely help for a sick resident? I dont know. There have been cases where residents have died of unattended bed sores. It has been an ongoing problem.

Now, this is not to say public is good and private is bad - this is one of those systemic failures where rules are in place but they are not being enforced.

 

Just wondering about the two cases with a gender classified as 'Other'. Aliens importing the virus from another planet?

 

Just wondering about the two cases with a gender classified as 'Other'. Aliens importing the virus from another planet?

If you have to wonder, there is no way anyone can explain it to you.

For example, in the US there is a highly poisonous snake, the copperhead, that can fertilize it’s own eggs. The situation is known as parthogenesis. There are at least ten other animals which can be classified as “other”. Some people may not like to admit it, but there are more genders than male or female.

https://www.treehugger.com/animals-can-change-their-gender-4869361