Thanks for being rational. Ohio needs more people like you.

 

Thanks for being rational. Ohio needs more people like you.

I try but living in NE Ohio, as you well know, sometimes is not all that easy. However, it is nice to have thoughts aligned with your primary care physician.

Ron

 

https://www.wired.com/story/its-ridiculous-to-treat-schools-like-covid-hot-zones/

It’s Ridiculous to Treat Schools Like Covid Hot Zones
When students head back to class this fall, they may find themselves isolated from each other and wearing masks. This isn’t biosafety—it’s pandemic theater.

 

Absolutely, it is pure theater and may do more harm than good. Read about the use of chloramphemicol to prevent infections in hospital nurseries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK448133/

It was effective for its purpose, until its horrible side effect was discovered (it also causes idosyncratic aplastic anemia in a few patients). Are we prepared to be as rational regarding face masks? The evidence won't be so clear, because data are not being collected.

 

Second wave down under?
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...ets-second-wave-of-toilet-paper-hoarding.html

Australia's supermarket chains on Friday reintroduced purchase limits on toilet paper and other household items as a spike in coronavirus cases in the state of Victoria set off a fresh round of panic-buying over fears of a new stay-at-home order.

Woolworths Group Ltd and Coles Group Ltd, which together account for two-thirds of Australian grocery sales, said they were once again limiting purchases of toilet paper and paper towels to one or two packs per person after photos circulated on social media showing empty shelves in stores.

 

Second wave down under?
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...ets-second-wave-of-toilet-paper-hoarding.html

...and up over too ... Los Angeles, so it is boo hoo, boo hoo for me

 

Hello,

10 Million cases and still counting:



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Bertus

 

https://www.wired.com/story/its-ridiculous-to-treat-schools-like-covid-hot-zones/

It’s Ridiculous to Treat Schools Like Covid Hot Zones
When students head back to class this fall, they may find themselves isolated from each other and wearing masks. This isn’t biosafety—it’s pandemic theater.

Most of what has been done is theater. All of this reminds me of airport security...

I have been going back to "Farenheit 451" more and more often...

 

Hello,

10 Million cases and still counting:

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Bertus

Total cases are likely past 100,000,000. This reported number is useless as an actual data point, even 'worldmeters' knows it's bogus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Considering that a large number of cases are asymptomatic (or present with very mild symptoms) and that testing has not been performed on the entire population, only a fraction of the SARS-CoV-2 infected population is detected, confirmed through a laboratory test, and officially reported as a COVID-19 case. The number of actual cases is therefore estimated to be at several multiples above the number of reported cases. The number of deaths also tends to be underestimated, as some patients are not hospitalized and not tested.

If we base our calculation (deaths / cases) on the number of reported cases (rather than on the actual ones), we will greatly overestimate the fatality rate.

 

https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/3/e00907-20
Could an Unrelated Live Attenuated Vaccine Serve as a Preventive Measure To Dampen Septic Inflammation Associated with COVID-19 Infection?

In fact, MMR vaccination is recommended in high-risk adults (i.e., health care workers) and people born before 1957 who did not receive the vaccine as a child. Adults who had received the MMR vaccine in childhood likely still possess antibody titers against the targeted viruses but not the shorter-lived trained innate leukocytes. Hence, at the very least, the MMR vaccine would provide added protection against measles, mumps, and rubella for older adults. But with the added induction of the trained innate cells, the MMR vaccination could provide protection against the worst sequelae of COVID-19. In direct support of this concept, it was recently reported that the milder symptoms seen in the 955 sailors on the U.S.S. Roosevelt who tested positive for COVID-19 (only one hospitalization) may have been a consequence of the fact that MMR vaccinations are given to all U.S. Navy recruits (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...ion-Rate-According-to-World-Organization.html).

 

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7234818/

COVID-19: losing battles or winning the war?

 

Rut Roh... Newer, more virulent, mutated strain taking over.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...g-to-understand-why/ar-BB166pjJ?ocid=msedgntp

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7234818/

COVID-19: losing battles or winning the war?

Quoting the closing two lines of this report:

Lastly, major societal changes are unavoidable to drastically limit the impact of mankind on the global environment and ecosystems, to promote the safeguarding and restoration of natural habitats while striving at global equalities to all human fundamental rights. Unrestrained economic growth must be reconsidered to build on more balanced and sustainable socio-economic principles. This pandemic is giving us a wake-up call to unambiguously fight to interrupt its spread and to conscientiously prepare for future pandemics, while offering a truly unique opportunity to alter the course of mankind’s ecological footprint on the planet. Let’s not waste it.

(Emphasis is in the original article.)

 

Hello again,

I was thinking of flying again on a flight that takes 6 hours one way and 5 hours back,
6 hours flying to the place is a LONG time to spend couped up with 100 other strangers, in tightly packed groups, so it would be quite risky.
Now theoretically with the aide of other historical viruses if you get the virus and survive you probably have built up an immunity due to the production of antibodies, and again historically that means that you cant get infected again for maybe a year or two, and more importantly you can not transmit the virus to anyone else. Unfortunately that has not yet been proved with the current corona virus, but i would be willing to take the chance that it acts the same way as past viruses.
So i figured gee, why dont i just go get an aintibody test to see if i have them already. That way i can travel any way i want to (assuming that lesson from history applies currently too) and not have to worry as much (even though i would worry a little anyway).,
So it seems that if i trust the history of virues to apply to this new virus i could fly and be confident about not getting it or not transmitting it to somenoe else.
There is just one more catch however and this puts a damper on the whole idea. That is, the antibody tests are not yet perfect so i may get tested positive when really i dont have them, or i could test negative when i really do have them. So that's a big, big problem.
To be more sure, i would have to have a different, second test. That might work. However, the cost for tehse tests is not zero it' could get a little expensive.
It is also unfortunate that i can not get to talk to anyone that is competent at the labs either they dont know much or they just dont answer the phone (even during normal operating hours).

So again i am stuck. The only thing i can do i guess is keep trying to get hold of someone that knews more about these tests and the cost for both tests.

Any ideas or comments would be appreciated, i am currently stuck in a "grounded vindaloop" and there seems to be no way aorund it.

 

hi Al,
From what I can see from watching your local TV news networks, this virus is spiralling out of control.

It is obvious from your dilemma that your gut reaction is telling you not endanger your life by taking an unnecessary risk, listen to your gut, it's served you well so far.

Eric

 

Hello again,

I was thinking of flying again on a flight that takes 6 hours one way and 5 hours back,
6 hours flying to the place is a LONG time to spend couped up with 100 other strangers, in tightly packed groups, so it would be quite risky.
Now theoretically with the aide of other historical viruses if you get the virus and survive you probably have built up an immunity due to the production of antibodies, and again historically that means that you cant get infected again for maybe a year or two, and more importantly you can not transmit the virus to anyone else. Unfortunately that has not yet been proved with the current corona virus, but i would be willing to take the chance that it acts the same way as past viruses.
So i figured gee, why dont i just go get an aintibody test to see if i have them already. That way i can travel any way i want to (assuming that lesson from history applies currently too) and not have to worry as much (even though i would worry a little anyway).,
So it seems that if i trust the history of virues to apply to this new virus i could fly and be confident about not getting it or not transmitting it to somenoe else.
There is just one more catch however and this puts a damper on the whole idea. That is, the antibody tests are not yet perfect so i may get tested positive when really i dont have them, or i could test negative when i really do have them. So that's a big, big problem.
To be more sure, i would have to have a different, second test. That might work. However, the cost for tehse tests is not zero it' could get a little expensive.
It is also unfortunate that i can not get to talk to anyone that is competent at the labs either they dont know much or they just dont answer the phone (even during normal operating hours).

So again i am stuck. The only thing i can do i guess is keep trying to get hold of someone that knews more about these tests and the cost for both tests.

Any ideas or comments would be appreciated, i am currently stuck in a "grounded vindaloop" and there seems to be no way aorund it.

Having Covid-19 antibodies is no guarantee of immunity. Some studies appear that the antibodies do NOT provide protection against reinfection. In fact, some coronavirus antibodies could make a reinfection WORSE.

Scientists and Doctors just don’t know.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...es-after-covid-19-illness-prevent-reinfection

 

Having Covid-19 antibodies is no guarantee of immunity. Some studies appear that the antibodies do NOT provide protection against reinfection. In fact, some coronavirus antibodies could make a reinfection WORSE.

Scientists and Doctors just don’t know.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...es-after-covid-19-illness-prevent-reinfection

Hi,

Yes thanks. And the reason for that is because the "tests" are so indeterminant What has happened already is that an antibody test shows that a tested individual had the antibodies and then at a later date not too long after that first test they contract the virus and get sick. The conclusion then is that the antibodies do not work with this virus the way they have worked in the past with other viruses. However, in the original test a false negative meant that they judged wrong in the first place in that the patient never had the virus before so of course they get it now.
This means it is all confused because of poor testing especially in some countries.

Yeah it is so much guesswork even after all these dreaded months.

 

hi Al,
From what I can see from watching your local TV news networks, this virus is spiralling out of control.

It is obvious from your dilemma that your gut reaction is telling you not endanger your life by taking an unnecessary risk, listen to your gut, it's served you well so far.

Eric

Hi Eric,

Yeah you are right
IT is such a shame though because my friend i intended to visit is having some difficult problems and i really need to be there. I feel like my wings are tied.

 

@djsfantasi
Having antibodies to lots of infectious agents does not guarantee immunity, nor does any antibiotic ensure cure. We cannot wait for a vaccine that is on the horizon. Moreover, it is unlikely that ensure protection either. Antibodies to Covid-19 (when done with a good test) do seem to offer some protection.

In the meantime, people are wearing masks everywhere, even outdoors in a desert. I have seen no data to support that wearing masks is even helpful compared to its downsides. "Claims" by experts -- particularly experts in unrelated fields -- and politicians don't count with me. Any legitimate evaluation in my opinion must be two-tailed (i.e., must look at advantages and disadvantages). I want to see the experimental data and evaluate it myself.