What is the risk assessment that tells you benefits outweigh the risks for anyone healthy and under 20? Or even 30? I would go to as far as 40?

If this was ebola spreading around the world and there was a vaccine for it, there would be no need to sell it.

A illogical argument on the assessment of easily preventable, by a free shot, risk by not have a control. This is exactly what I mean by fear being illogical.
Exactly how many in those groups have been harmed by the vaccine vs how many in those groups have been harmed (directly or indirectly by transmission to older/sicker groups) by covid-19?

 

Can't help wondering if there really are that many that have trypanophobia? Can understand it as a child, been there, done that, got the shot anyway whether I liked it or not. Still not thrilled when they have to poke me 3-4 times trying to get a working IV in but do inject myself weekly without any qualms.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lebron-james-covid-vaccine-nba/

LeBron James on Tuesday said he received the COVID-19 vaccine despite his initial skepticism. The Los Angeles Lakers star spoke with reporters on the Lakers' annual media day for the upcoming season, saying he and his family got the vaccine after he did his own research.

"I think everyone has they own choice — to do what they feel is right for themselves and their family and things of that nature," he said. "I know that I was very (skeptical) about it all but after doing my research. I felt like it was best suited for not only me but for my family and my friends."

When asked if he felt the need to promote the vaccine, James said he only felt comfortable speaking about his and his family's choices.

A wise choice.

 

Not only are the medical professionals emotionally and physically beaten down by the crisis, but many are seriously questioning continuing in their profession.

A Michigan doctor said 6 out of 8 patients who questioned his medical advice on COVID-19 have died (msn.com)

Amazing what happens when a doc accidentally stands on an oxygen hose - beds free up for people willing to listen to a doctor.

 

In a falsifiable way ???

Yes.

This is at the very heart of research, and if you don't know this, it is very important to learn.

You should always attempt to make your conclusions falsifiable.

For example I'll choose a topic that we are all familiar with - I state that a voltage on the input of a resistor will always be higher than the output of a resistor. This can easily be proven false by saying that a resistor can be 0 ohm, or current might be negative at the input at certain points, the input might be AC, ect...

I can then say that for a positive DC current going into a resistor and out the other side, the voltage on the input will always be more positive than the output.

This is still open to being proven false, so it is falsifiable.


So I guess what I was asking was for a statement that we can check to see whether it is true after the event has occurred.

On another note, this...

It will exist side-by-side with existing Currencies for
approximately ~2-Years after announcement.

... Is a contradiction of what you said the other week w.r.t. all existing non-crypto currencies collapsing by the end of the year (along with the exploding heads).

And when you said that you made it in a falsifiable way - So at the end of the year we can judge whether that was correct or not.

 

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I've definately been guilty of forgetting I was wearing a mask and driving lol

 

Let's see now. XOX is from Texas, and LowQ is from Florida. And they seem to think alike and agree, so when you look at how each state is being run today, every thing fits.

Well it is true. Despotic socialism doesn't really seem to be our cup of tea.

You must live in one of those states where riots are tolerated and welfare checks are passed out to practically anyone? Yes I've seen Dem places before and I'm not impressed.

YOUR businesses fail as OURS thrive. YOUR denizens complain of mistreatment while OURS bask in the sun sipping margaritas on the beach with friends. Once again now...who are the real fools in this scenario?

 

I've definately been guilty of forgetting I was wearing a mask and driving lol

That can't be true, the people at school board meetings say you had to notice it because you weren't able to breath and were extremely uncomfortable and other kids were making fun of you because you were or were not wearing an expensive mask that either matched or didn't match your clothing.

 

Let's see now. XOX is from Texas, and LowQ is from Florida. And they seem to think alike and agree, so when you look at how each state is being run today, every thing fits.

Stop it.

 

Well it is true. Despotic socialism doesn't really seem to be our cup of tea.

You must live in one of those states where riots are tolerated and welfare checks are passed out to practically anyone? Yes I've seen Dem places before and I'm not impressed.

YOUR businesses fail as OURS thrive. YOUR denizens complain of mistreatment while OURS bask in the sun sipping margaritas on the beach with friends. Once again now...who are the real fools in this scenario?

Took the bait, hook, line and sinker.

 

A illogical argument on the assessment of easily preventable, by a free shot, risk by not have a control. This is exactly what I mean by fear being illogical.
Exactly how many in those groups have been harmed by the vaccine vs how many in those groups have been harmed (directly or indirectly by transmission to older/sicker groups) by the covid-19?

Clearly you think the numbers go one way and I think they go the other. Risk acceptance/tolerance depends on many factors.

I just find it interesting that one death from the disease is one death too many. But one death from vaccine is a sacrifice that has to be made... (I know, false equivalency, strawman etc)

A illogical argument on the assessment of easily preventable, by a free shot, risk by not have a control. This is exactly what I mean by fear being illogical.
Exactly how many in those groups have been harmed by the vaccine vs how many in those groups have been harmed (directly or indirectly by transmission to older/sicker groups) by covid-19?

https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

Is accurate data available? The number of cases of myocarditis and also of Bells palsy are not being released (at least not in Canada).

Untreated myocarditis will cause issues long term. Sure COVID may do the same, or it may not. No one knows anything.

Up to today 86 people under 30 have died from COVID in Canada.

It is pretty much a guarantee that no deaths will be attributed to any vaccine. Someone may die from myocarditis following immunization and it will state that they died from myocarditis. Would they be dead of not for vaccination?

 

Wow, Typhoid Mary is welcome at @justtrying's house. Asymptomatic carriers will keep this thing circulating for the next 30-years - "to hell with the rest of ya says @justtrying"... then someone does the math.

 

Clearly you think the numbers go one way and I think they go the other. Risk acceptance/tolerance depends on many factors.

I just find it interesting that one death from the disease is one death too many. But one death from vaccine is a sacrifice that has to be made... (I know, false equivalency, strawman etc)


https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

Is accurate data available? The number of cases of myocarditis and also of Bells palsy are not being released (at least not in Canada).

Untreated myocarditis will cause issues long term. Sure COVID may do the same, or it may not. No one knows anything.

Up to today 86 people under 30 have died from COVID in Canada.

It is pretty much a guarantee that no deaths will be attributed to any vaccine. Someone may die from myocarditis following immunization and it will state that they died from myocarditis. Would they be dead of not for vaccination?

Not one thing you have said is a reason not to get vaccinated in general. They should use the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine instead if they feel mRNA COVID-19 vaccination presets an unacceptable risk to them but it's a hell of lot more dangerous driving to get the shot. Do seatbelts prevent you from danger? No, wearing a seatbelt does not prevent an accident yet it's a good idea to wear one because wearing a seat belt significantly reduces the risk that the car accident results in serious injury or death.

 

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Well you are free to live in a plastic bubble if you so wish. (It probably won't do your ancestors much good of course, but hey, if you want to live like a snowflake then by all means go ahead.)

Don't like ant bites? Well then stay the hell away from them! It's as simple as that. It's not ANYONE ELSE'S responsibility. Likewise if you somehow catch Covid, sorry, it's your own damn fault! Dragging other people into it is extremely presumptive to say the least.

I used to choose to ignore you. I admit, you almost triggered me, but someone I respect suggested I should just not respond.

So other than this brief explanation, I’m making my choice.

 

Wow, Typhoid Mary is welcome at @justtrying's house. A symptomatic carriers will keep this thing circulating for the next 30-years - "to hell with the rest of ya says @justtrying"... then someone does the math.

I'm vaccinated, so I would be safe, right?

This will keep circulating for ever for the same reason flus and colds never went away.
If you think otherwise, you might be in for a surprise.

 

Up to today 86 people under 30 have died from COVID in Canada.

To be clear, that's "up to today". Canada's Delta variant surge is about a month behind the US's Delta surge. Good luck.
We are currently approaching 4000 deaths for people under 30-years-old in the US.

 

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021...he-risks-and-benefits-for-each-age-group.html

 

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021...he-risks-and-benefits-for-each-age-group.html

The data is outdated. Data collection was completely pre-delta variant. Not worth taking the time to look at.

 

What is the risk assessment that tells you benefits outweigh the risks for anyone healthy and under 20? Or even 30? I would go to as far as 40?

What about this?

I just find it interesting that one death from the disease is one death too many. But one death from vaccine is a sacrifice that has to be made...

I'd say that 54,000 deaths is too many

Untreated myocarditis will cause issues long term. Sure COVID may do the same, or it may not. No one knows anything.

It's true that there is no long term data, but current data shows that most cases of myocarditis/pericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination have mild symptoms and recover well.

 

What about this?


I'd say that 54,000 deaths is too many
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It's true that there is no long term data, but current data shows that most cases of myocarditis/pericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination have mild symptoms and recover well.

It's your RIGHT to remain in a Bubble and refuse to look at any conflicting information.

Some people just can't process conflicting information,
so I can understand how this could happen.

It may take decades to learn how to work-around a "maybe" or a "possibility"
until things start to add-up to a definite trend, then towards a single conclusion,
and then finally into a conclusion that has very little "wiggle-room" and
becomes a ~95% fact.
(very little is absolute, and everything is subject to unrecognized outside influences)

What is it that keeps people in a tiny-box, with blinders on,
and with their fingers in their Ears going LA-LA-LA-LA-I can't hear you-LA-LA-LA-LA,
I know what causes this, but do You ?????
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