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SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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LOL! Yeah I've been watching that kind of nonsense and wondering if they can really be that stupid. Grasping at straws to find a reason not to vax...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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2 cruise passengers test positive for COVID-19 despite vaccine requirement for adult guests (yahoo.com)

Until this stops... Wait and see if it's the eye of the hurricane or is it really over.
Nothing unexpected or unanticipated.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...ter-sailing-100-vaccinated-cruise/7645511002/
Corrections & clarifications: This story has been updated to reflect that though Celebrity Cruises has billed the Celebrity Millennium sailing as "fully vaccinated," some unvaccinated children are aboard the ship.
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It’s still possible to test positive for the coronavirus even after getting vaccinated, experts say. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said it can take weeks for a person’s body to build up immunity after getting vaccinated.
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"The individuals are asymptomatic and currently in isolation and being monitored by our medical team," Celebrity's statement read Thursday. "We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation."

Close contacts were confirmed negative after being tested again for COVID-19, Fishman told USA TODAY Friday.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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What do they call the guy with the lowest grades in med school? Doctor, sometimes seen with witch in front of it... Especially if they got their degree from some 3rd world countries diploma mill. Seems like there should be a Medical Exam that has to be passed to practice medicine like there is a Bar Exam to practice Law. At least here in the US.
 
SamR, you are so wrong. Yes, students can go to medical school outside the US. But the exams required for a medical license are the same. I am very sad to hear you talk like this.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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I've run into a few (including Veterinarians) whose credentials and abilities were questionable that were US citizens who trained outside the US schools in South America. Never knew their Medical License required a post-graduation (and residency) exam. I did know keeping it current required continuing education as in many other professions. FWIW Any doctor claiming that Corona vax causes magnetization needs to be brought before the Licensing Board for investigation.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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SamR, you are so wrong. Yes, students can go to medical school outside the US. But the exams required for a medical license are the same. I am very sad to hear you talk like this.
If I were the kind of person that let my happiness be influenced by some anonymous person's comments, I'd be sad that you let @SamR 's comments change your mood in any way.
 
I am touchy about ignorant people who denigrate doctors. My daughter is a doctor and she worked hard at it all the way. Using the term “third world diploma mill” is racism plain and simple I reserve my right to adjust my mood based on what people say. Especially when it involves my immediate family.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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I had/have several doctors in our family for over 100 years and am quite aware of their qualifications. I fail to see what race has to do with it.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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I had/have several doctors in our family for over 100 years and am quite aware of their qualifications. I fail to see what race has to do with it.
I agree with that. My current doctor is a Russian that studied in Cuba. A great doctor with lots of actual field medical expertise. Sadly there are “First World diploma mills” in the US giving out Mickey Mouse degrees too.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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I am touchy about ignorant people who denigrate doctors. My daughter is a doctor and she worked hard at it all the way. Using the term “third world diploma mill” is racism plain and simple I reserve my right to adjust my mood based on what people say. Especially when it involves my immediate family.
You're in the same boat as my mother. She also got a bit upset when people would imply that my brother's M.D. was less valuable than an MD from a near-by famous med school. She mostly got upset because she knew it was true and didn't want it to be true.
She never cared about my PhD. But I can assure you, not all engineering PhDs are the same. There are schools with good reputations and crap reputations, or worse yet, no reputation. The schools with the best reputations attract better students and better professors. The better professors do more interesting research and get more research funding to buy interesting equipment, develop relationships with interesting companies and expose students to interesting experiences. The graduates from the better schools are recruited by more companies, offered higher salaries and given more responsibilities. The graduates from top med schools get better placements in more challenging specialties on Match day. Many students from mid-level and low level schools often get their "preferred" match because they understand their position in life - they've experienced rejection - so they know what they can achieve and tend to ask for Matches at University of Toledo instead of Harvard.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings

I hope your daughter is as good as you think she is - her patients deserve it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://ktla.com/news/california/gavin-newsom-signs-orders-to-roll-back-virus-rules/

It’s official: Most of California’s coronavirus rules governing public gatherings will disappear on Tuesday after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an executive order Friday afternoon that heralds the end of the pandemic’s hold on much of public life for the nation’s most populous state.

Newsom’s action on Friday ensures the state will end the stay-at-home order and its various amendments on Tuesday after more than 15 months on the books as more than 70% of adults in the state have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine. Starting Tuesday, there will be no capacity limits or physical distancing requirements for businesses. People who are fully vaccinated won’t be required to wear a mask — including indoors.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://theconversation.com/covid-d...a-variant-an-evolutionary-helping-hand-162359

COVID: did a delayed second dose give the delta variant an evolutionary helping hand?
Returning to the delta variant, its ability to infect people who are partly vaccinated against it may explain its rise to dominance. While people who have received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine may have around 88% protection, this figure is as low as 33.5% with one dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine, according to Public Health England.
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What is important, however, is to think about the implications of the artificial selection hypothesis – if it is true. Rather than making blanket claims about the overall transmissibility of different variants as they arise, it will become increasingly important, particularly as different parts of the world are vaccinated at different rates, to think about the way different variants — which have been selected, naturally or unconsciously — will interact with new populations as they spread. The US, for example, has focused on providing two doses in a shorter timeframe. And assuming that because the delta variant has been successful in the UK it will create the same problems in the US, is not necessarily justified: selection is likely to have different effects in the two populations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57464097
Covid: Lockdown easing in England to be delayed by four weeks
But many scientists have called for the reopening to be delayed to enable more people to be vaccinated and receive second doses, amid rising cases of the Delta variant, which was first identified in India.
A delay would also allow more work to be done on whether vaccines are breaking, or simply weakening, the link between infections and hospitalisations.
Health Minister Edward Argar told BBC Breakfast that he could not confirm the delay before the PM's announcement, but that there was a "concerning increase" in cases of the Delta variant and numbers in hospital were "beginning to creep up".
Most severe cases were among unvaccinated people or those who had only one dose, he said, adding that at current rates nearly 10 million second doses could be administered over four weeks to increase protection.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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You can't win.
https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...viral-infections-in-israel-are-surging-671354
Snir noted that after the year of the pandemic, it is not surprising that these diseases are reappearing.

“We did not see them during the winter because we were wearing masks and because of the lockdowns, but they are normal viruses,” she said.

While no formal study appears to have been published on the topic, Brosh said that a similar phenomenon was reported in Australia a few months ago, when the country hit its summer after the first winter plagued by corona.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Half-truths, misrepresentations, and tendentious conjecture.

I've no idea about the entire gene sequence but a tiny bit of searching show those sequences "CGG codons *are* found in all coronaviruses, albeit at low frequency".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27392928
A “lab leak” theory info update:

https://news.yahoo.com/scientist-hedges-smoking-gun-supporting-200530381.html
A scientist whose words have been widely cited to support the “lab leak” theory of Covid-19’s origin is now taking some of those words back.

Last month, Nobel laureate David Baltimore told Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that part of the coronavirus’s genome – the furin cleavage site – was “smoking gun” evidence that it originated in a laboratory. The quote was quickly picked up by countless believers in the theory that human beings engineered the virus.

But on Tuesday, Dr Baltimore hedged, telling the Los Angeles Times he “should have softened the phrase ‘smoking gun’ because I don’t believe that it proves the origin of the furin cleavage site but it does sound that way.”


“I believe that the question of whether the sequence was put in naturally or by molecular manipulation is very hard to determine, but I wouldn’t rule out either origin,” the biologist told the newspaper.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
Another feature of SARS-CoV-2 that has drawn attention is a combination of nucleotides that underlie a segment of the furin cleavage site: CGG (these encode the amino acid arginine). A Medium article that speculates on a lab origin for SARS-CoV-2 quotes David Baltimore, a Nobel laureate and professor emeritus at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, as saying that viruses don’t usually have that particular code for arginine, but humans often do — a “smoking gun”, hinting that researchers might have tampered with SARS-CoV-2’s genome.

Andersen says that Baltimore was incorrect about that detail, however. In SARS-CoV-2, about 3% of the nucleotides encoding arginine are CGG, he says. And he points out that around 5% of those encoding arginine in the virus that caused the original SARS epidemic are CGG, too. In an e-mail to Nature, Baltimore says Andersen could be correct that evolution produced SARS-CoV-2, but adds that “there are other possibilities and they need careful consideration, which is all I meant to be saying”.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi,
A 49 year old, male Covid patient who has been in intensive care in the UK for 12 Months, has now died.

The Delta variant in the UK is causing concern, so a drive now is underway to get as many 'younger' people vaccinated as quickly as possible.

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