This apparently is what Russia intends by dictating that all Teachers and Medical personnel MUST be vaccinated. Which apparently is not going over so well with those intended to be the guinea pigs.

Once approved in US, it will be immediately mandatory for healthcare workers, just like the flu shot.

 

Once approved in US, it will be immediately mandatory for healthcare workers, just like the flu shot.

Mandatory vaccines have been required for direct care health care workers for a long time but requiring teachers is a stretch for a novel vaccine. Due to the inevitable lack of long-term health data on any vaccine I would use caution on a general mandate.

 

What method? At least let us know what you are accusing Dr. Atlas of recommending?

You know exactly the method, send all out into the wild taking no precautions, that was my meaning. It wasn't a accusation, just stating his recommendations.

Weren't you one of those complaining about Fauci having no expertise in this? His only expertise was in HIV and Ebola, some very bad infectious diseases? At least he is an epidemiologist. But you seem to be OK with taking the recommendations of a radiologist for an air borne infectious disease. Why?

 

You know exactly the method, send all out into the wild taking no precautions, that was my meaning. It wasn't a accusation, just stating his recommendations.

Dr. Atlas has never suggested such a thing. Please give the source. It seems likely you misunderstood.

Weren't you one of those complaining about Fauci having no expertise in this? His only expertise was in HIV and Ebola, some very bad infectious diseases? At least he is an epidemiologist. But you seem to be OK with taking the recommendations of a radiologist for an air borne infectious disease. Why?

1) Dr. Atlas is a clinician. Dr. Fauci is a laboratory researcher.
2) Dr. Atlas has spent the last 8 years in studying healthcare delivery and epidemiology.
3) Dr. Fauci's models were all wrong. Time to get someone new.

 

Dr. Atlas, a radiologist, has no training or expertise in infectious diseases, but what he does have are the words the President wants to hear: you can let the virus spread widely throughout the US if you just try to keep the elderly safe, open up everything and let 'er rip,"

According to the California Medical Board, Atlas is board certified in diagnostic radiology and neuroradiology.

From - https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88401

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas

 

MedPage, Washington Post, Facebook, etc., are hardly reliable scientific resources. Herd immunity is real. It's been proved. If you have something to say it doesn't exist, give a link. Of course, it does not exist for all diseases (e.g., toxins, cancer) or for all infectious diseases (e.g, malaria, HIV). But for epidemic diseases for which immunity exists, herd immunity exists. While it does not protect a particular individual (no one claims that), it does mitigate the spread.

Dr. Atlas NEVER said what you accuse him of saying. Deliberately putting forth false information is against AAC's TOS.

Forum members are responsible for the content of their posts, including information they provide, validity of this information, and any extra content they may append to the post.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

Coronavirus: Six months after pandemic declared, where are the global hotspots?

 

Pandemic or not, some things just don't change.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09...sJJt_eUNHWNBa9WEN-bhUNHLFjylDNr-NwhM4p5pT1wAI

OXFORD, Ohio (WOIO) - Oxford Police Department cited six men who attended a house party Saturday, and one of them was supposed to be under quarantine after testing positive for COVID-19 a week prior.

 

Pandemic or not, some things just don't change.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09...sJJt_eUNHWNBa9WEN-bhUNHLFjylDNr-NwhM4p5pT1wAI

OXFORD, Ohio (WOIO) - Oxford Police Department cited six men who attended a house party Saturday, and one of them was supposed to be under quarantine after testing positive for COVID-19 a week prior.

The scary part is not so much COVID 19 as much as this:

"An Oxford PD officer approaches the gathering, and one of the partygoers tells the officer that 20 people attended.
He runs one of the student’s IDs and then calls the young man over.
“I’ve never seen this before, there’s an input on the computer that you tested positive for COVID?” the officer asks.
The student answers, “Yes.”
“When was this?”

Classic example of privacy lost.

Ron

 

The scary part is not so much COVID 19 as much as this:

"An Oxford PD officer approaches the gathering, and one of the partygoers tells the officer that 20 people attended.
He runs one of the student’s IDs and then calls the young man over.
“I’ve never seen this before, there’s an input on the computer that you tested positive for COVID?” the officer asks.
The student answers, “Yes.”
“When was this?”

Classic example of privacy lost.

Ron

Yes but lost for a good reason here IMO.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09...sJJt_eUNHWNBa9WEN-bhUNHLFjylDNr-NwhM4p5pT1wAI

According to the Oxford Police incident report, one of the residents of the home later stopped by the police department and expressed a desire to press trespassing charges against everyone at the house who was not a resident, and denied participating in any mass gatherings. Another resident who was cited emailed the department stating he too would like to press charges for trespass and said he was sick in bed and did not respond to the porch until he was asked to by the officer.

 

Yes but lost for a good reason here IMO.

Ummm...what happened to HIPPA laws?

 

Ummm...what happened to HIPPA laws?

A Pandemic.

With a disease such as COVID-19, it is essential for covered entities to notify public health authorities of an infected patient, as the public health authorities will need information in order to ensure public health and safety.4 It is permissible to share PHI with public health authorities such as the CDC, state and local health departments, and others responsible for ensuring the safety of the public. These disclosures are necessary to help prevent and control disease, injury, and disability. In such cases PHI may be shared without obtaining authorization from the patient.

• Disclosures of PHI are also permitted to prevent and lessen a serious and imminent threat to a specific person or the public in general, provided such disclosures are permitted under other laws.4 Such disclosures do not require permission from a patient. These disclosures are left to the discretion and professional judgment of health care professionals about the nature and the severity of the threat.

https://www.todayswoundclinic.com/a...es,against impermissible uses and disclosures.

 

A Pandemic.



https://www.todayswoundclinic.com/articles/hipaa-privacy-and-security-during-covid-19-pandemic#:~:text=The HIPAA Security Rule ensures,against impermissible uses and disclosures.

I would consider this crisis as pertaining to national security. So it is to be expected that some laws and rights (especially those dealing with privacy issues) will be temporarily circumvented. What worries me is that some governments might take this opportunity to tighten their grip on power.

 

I would consider this crisis as pertaining to national security.

It's not what someone calls it, it is what it is. Here are seasonal flu deaths /100,000 in the USA since 1930 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/ ):


Current Covid deaths (JHU data) are 60/100,000. Was seasonal flu in 1930 to 1945 a national security risk? Did it inhibit our ability to address other "real" security risks during that time?

No doubt it is a serious disease. Is it a serious threat to national security and effectively justify martial law? I don't think so.

 

I would consider this crisis as pertaining to national security. So it is to be expected that some laws and rights (especially those dealing with privacy issues) will be temporarily circumvented. What worries me is that some governments might take this opportunity to tighten their grip on power.

I think most democracies will revert quickly back to the old rule of law because the current rules are costing tax money but there are some pretty cruel examples of overzealous usage of Pandemic power.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...ttend-father-s-funeral/ar-BB18UODI?li=AAgfYrC
https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...-funeral/6439f010-02e0-40b8-b507-a5a754c2d076

Not really picking on Australia, my wife's sister lives in Queensland so I hear about these stories.

 

It's not what someone calls it, it is what it is. Here are seasonal flu deaths /100,000 in the USA since 1930 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/ ):
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Current Covid deaths (JHU data) are 60/100,000. Was seasonal flu in 1930 to 1945 a national security risk? Did it inhibit our ability to address other "real" security risks during that time?

No doubt it is a serious disease. Is it a serious threat to national security and effectively justify martial law? I don't think so.

That's pretty much it. During the 68 - 69 flu season the Hong Kong flu wreaked havoc but there was a difference. Every death certificate was not hot stamped Hong Kong Flu as a cause of death. What I see today is an effort to push up the numbers. I also recall the onset of the HIV or AIDS virus but the government didn't start trashing the constitutional rights of the people. While I support law enforcement the fact that a police officer can get into a data base and know if I ever tested positive for COVID concerns me a little. Where does it stop and just how accurate are all these positive test numbers? Governor of Ohio tested positive and later on a retest using a different test was negative?

Ron

 

While I support law enforcement the fact that a police officer can get into a data base and know if I ever tested positive for COVID concerns me a little.

This is one of the reasons I will never be tested for Wuhan.

 

This is one of the reasons I will never be tested for Wuhan.

Nor will I. I figure they already know enough about me.

Ron

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/university-pittsburgh-antibody-neutralizes-coronavirus

Scientists at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine have isolated “the smallest biological molecule” that “completely and specifically neutralizes” SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.