Cordless Screwdriver motor don't run without crocodile cable

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
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Hello my friends,

I ve got a cordless screwdriver which has finished battery and broken button. I decided to get an adapter and connect a button. I made it but I ve got a problem. When I try to connect adapter cables to botton and motor, it s not run. I ve used soldering, socket, connector etc. and it just give movement and stop again give movement and stop. But when I use crocodile cable, It s run smoothly. I couldn't understand that is there a special feature in crocodile cable.

Thank you..
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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There is some other mistake in the mix. Photos might help. A drawing of the circuit if that's within your ability.
Yes, I know, a battery operated screwdriver is dead simple, but each one is a bit different from the next.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
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I ve attached images. This circuit run with no problems. But when I try to connect adapter cable (you can see in images) with soldering, socket, connector or by hand, it is not run. Motor is hesitating for run :)WP_20150503_006.jpg WP_20150503_008.jpg WP_20150503_010.jpg
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
18,224
My first guess is that the motor requires a starting current that is more than the 3 amp supply. When you provide excellent connections, the supply goes into self-protect. The alligator causes a weak connection (compared to solder) so the power supply is protected from the motor by a weak connection. You might try a big capacitor in parallel with the power supply so it can suffer the first surge, or you might be forced to buy a bigger power supply.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
23
I have only 10microfarat 50v alliminum capacitor. I tried it but it s not run again :) I think my capacitor is not enough. I checked alligator cable and it s copper wire, not a good one. If power supply is not enough for first surge, how is it run with alligator. I could'nt get it..
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
18,224
A resistance in series with the motor will reduce the current that can flow.
A poor quality wire with a rusty alligator has resistance that limits the maximum current.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
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Thank you for your reply, Could you tell me how can you estimate which capacitor is enough for me. Is there a formula ?
 

Ramussons

Joined May 3, 2013
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No, there is no simple formula as far as I know. I'm doing a guess from past experience on something similar. I had managed with 2200 uF, but settled for 4700 uF.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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No, there is no simple formula as far as I know...
Well there is a formula, but the problem is not having the parameters to plug into it. With good data on the motor, it would be easy to calculate what is needed. Lacking that, find a big cap that works and work down to lower values until it doesn't work. If the big one fails, you'll need another solution.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
23
What is the good data about motor ? Such as current, voltage of motor. I know old battery values. And I m sorry for my lack-information, I have questions. for example I need 4700uF capacitor for motor, but I dont have it, I have bigger one so is it work ? Or ı need exact value ?
 

Ramussons

Joined May 3, 2013
1,567
What is the good data about motor ? Such as current, voltage of motor. I know old battery values. And I m sorry for my lack-information, I have questions. for example I need 4700uF capacitor for motor, but I dont have it, I have bigger one so is it work ? Or ı need exact value ?
doesnt matter. try it out.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
23
I tried 4700uF and 6300uF capacitor, but result was same. It s not working. I still dont understand why it is run with crocodile cable and dont run with soldering, socket, plug etc.. !!!
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
23
Yes I use same one, you can see above. It s interesting that I used 5v 3a power supply, I tried directly connect with motor and It could run it. But when I use button and connect powersupply cables with soldering, sockets, plugs, connector or by hand It is not run, just give movement then stop give movement then stop.. If I use crocodile cable for connect powersupply cables It is run.

It seems there is no need capacitor, just need to understand why it is only run with alligators. :))
 

Brownout

Joined Jan 10, 2012
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Does it run if you connect the alligator clips to the wires that connect to the button? In other words, you need to eliminate either the socket/plug or the button as the reason it won't run. So try it with the alligator clips and button, or socket and direct write to the motor. Either you button or your socket is the problem.
 

Glenn Holland

Joined Dec 26, 2014
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From the picture, your power supply is 3.0 amps which should be sufficient to run the device with no load and probably with a load.

Try connecting the power supply directly to the motor terminals.
 

Dodgydave

Joined Jun 22, 2012
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sounds like its the button switch thats dicky, if you solder the psu directly to the motor it works ok? If so then try it with the switch in and see what happens.
 

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jeolex

Joined May 3, 2015
23
when I bought power supply (adapter), first I tried to connect cable to motor directly and it was run. So I thought that it will run motor. I tried 2 different button but it wasnt run. Then connecting adapter cables to button with alligator it was run. I dont understand what şs matter with alligator
 
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